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Steve
11th January 07, 10:28 PM
http://imgred.com/http://www.thehutt.de/tolkien/pics/hobbit.jpgShaye: New Line Blacklists Jackson
12:00 AM, 10-JANUARY-07

In the latest comment in the controversy surrounding a proposed movie based on J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit, New Line head Robert Shaye told SCI FI Wire in no uncertain terms that the studio won't work with Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson on that film or any other film. Ever. At least not as long as Shaye is in charge.

Shaye's comments marked the first time a New Line executive has commented publicly on the fracas since Jackson announced that he has pulled out of the project and also appears to harden New Line's position against Jackson.

"I do not want to make a movie with somebody who is suing me," Shaye—New Line's chief executive officer—said in an interview on Jan. 5 while promoting The Last Mimzy, a New Line family fantasy that marks his first time in a director's chair since 1990's Book of Love. "It will never happen during my watch."

Jackson had told TheOneRing.net in November that he and partner Fran Walsh were bowing out after New Line, which produced the Rings films and has production rights to The Hobbit, told them the studio was moving ahead with The Hobbit without them. Jackson has said he won't discuss The Hobbit until a lawsuit against New Line over Rings accounting practices is settled.

As far as Shaye is concerned, Jackson is no longer welcome. "There's a kind of arrogance," Shaye said. "Not that I don't think Peter is a good filmmaker and that he hasn't contributed significantly to filmography and made three very good movies. And I don't even expect him to say 'thank you' for having me make it happen and having New Line make it happen. But to think that I, as a functionary in [a] company that has been around for a long time, but is now owned by a very big conglomerate, would care one bit about trying to cheat the guy, ... he's either had very poor counsel or is completely misinformed and myopic to think that I care whether I give him [anything]."

Shaye, who was also an executive producer on the Rings films, added: "He got a quarter of a billion dollars paid to him so far, justifiably, according to contract, completely right, and this guy, who already has received a quarter of a billion dollars, turns around without wanting to have a discussion with us and sues us and refuses to discuss it unless we just give in to his plan. I don't want to work with that guy anymore. Why would I? So the answer is he will never make any movie with New Line Cinema again while I'm still working for the company."

Shaye said that many of the Rings trilogy actors "suddenly, because, I'm guessing, of Peter's complaint," have declined to participate in celebrating New Line's 40th anniversary. "I'm incredibly offended," he said. "I don't care about Peter Jackson anymore. He wants to have another $100 million or $50 million, whatever he's suing us for. He doesn't want to sit down and talk about it. He thinks that we owe him something after we've paid him over a quarter of a billion dollars. ... Cheers, Peter."

New Line's hardened position against Jackson isn't the end of the story, of course. MGM, which owns the distribution rights to The Hobbit, on Nov. 20 told Variety through a spokesman that "the matter of Peter Jackson directing the Hobbit films is far from closed."

In his own online statement, Jackson said that New Line executive Mark Ordesky, who shepherded the Rings trilogy, argued that New Line is dumping Jackson because the studio has a "limited time option" on the film rights, obtained from Saul Zaentz.

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What the hell? I had no idea such a ruckus was going on around the Rings films.

Let's hope that Pete does go on to make the The Hobbit and that we don't get the shaft from some shitty director put up by New Line.

Link to the SCI FI news story. (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=39462)

Link to the earlier SCI FI news stroy about Peter Jackson being dropped from The Hobbit movie. (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=38958)

WarPhalange
11th January 07, 10:43 PM
Uwe Boll!

Question!
11th January 07, 11:08 PM
GO UWE!!

And then if people compare him to Peter Jackson, challenge him to a 'friendly' boxing match!

WarPhalange
11th January 07, 11:15 PM
For publicity, of course.

ThaiBoxerShorts
11th January 07, 11:23 PM
I'd box Lowtax.

Steve
11th January 07, 11:24 PM
Maybe give Ralph Bakshi another chance?

Iscariot
12th January 07, 06:14 AM
New Line are, as far as I can tell, lying completely. Accounting is quite possibly one of the most standardised things on the planet, a team of court appointed accountants should quickly and easily be able to settle this and New Line are stalling.

Jackson has a licence to print money at the moment, going after New Line for 50-100M is a fucking pittance compared to what he could make doing any other projects, the idea that he's blackmailing them for money is retarded. Sounds like New Line's been cooking the books.

DAYoung
12th January 07, 07:42 AM
He should make 'The Bobbit' instead.

Iscariot
12th January 07, 07:53 AM
Only DAYoung could bring castration humour to this thread.

billy sol hurok
12th January 07, 08:42 AM
Accounting is quite possibly one of the most standardised things on the planet, a team of court appointed accountants should quickly and easily be able to settle this and New Line are stalling.
Not the way they do it in the entertainment industry, it isn't.

There was a case a few years back where Art Buchwald claimed that Eddie Murphy's Coming To America had been based on an idea stolen from him. I don't recall the details, but I do remember that some very nonintuitive accounting practices were exposed to the light of day during the discovery phase of the case.

Iscariot
12th January 07, 10:16 AM
Not the way they do it in the entertainment industry, it isn't.

There was a case a few years back where Art Buchwald claimed that Eddie Murphy's Coming To America had been based on an idea stolen from him. I don't recall the details, but I do remember that some very nonintuitive accounting practices were exposed to the light of day during the discovery phase of the case.
I really want to know what they were doing looking at accounts in an intellectual property debate.

billy sol hurok
12th January 07, 10:19 AM
Looking to calculate damages, I imagine.

Letum
13th January 07, 08:57 PM
Ah ha, hopefully I won't grimace at the amount of sheer story rapage in this one. I'm no LOTR fanboy...but fucking come on.

There are cuts you make in order for literature to transition into movie....and there are cuts you make for being a little moronic bitch who clearly did not understand the admittedly basic source material you're working with.

WarPhalange
13th January 07, 09:06 PM
You mean Tom Bombadil?

Letum
13th January 07, 09:11 PM
I don't know actually, I didn't really mind the lack of Tom Bombadil...sure it would have been very cool and he is a very interesting piece of LOTR lore, but could it work in a movie and not draaag on?

Some changes were needed, for example Frodo leaving very soon after Bilbo's Farewell. In terms of film production, effects etc they were brilliant.

However, I was expecting Lord of the Rings. Not Peter Jackson tells a familar story!

WarPhalange
13th January 07, 09:25 PM
I don't understand. What exactly is your beef then?

They changed the guy who saves Frodo to Arwen, since there weren't many women in the book anyway and we don't need some random jackass who comes out of nowhere and leaves without a word again.

Only part I didn't like was when Legolas slid down the stairs on his shield. Too "extreme".


Oh, and the whole "toss me" part.

Letum
13th January 07, 09:45 PM
I don't understand. What exactly is your beef then?

They changed the guy who saves Frodo to Arwen, since there weren't many women in the book anyway and we don't need some random jackass who comes out of nowhere and leaves without a word again.

Only part I didn't like was when Legolas slid down the stairs on his shield. Too "extreme".


Oh, and the whole "toss me" part.

That's just ONE point though, isn't it? As for the saving Frodo, yes the High Elve would have been cool but unworkable, but to be fair: The Ringwraiths would have effortlessly slaughtered Arwen it would be serious fucking lulz for Sauron.

The pronounciation of Sauron too, would have been okay if Tolkien hadn't specifically stated how alot of stuff was pronounced.

The toss me part totally misconstrued the Dwarven attitude. ALL of Legolas' stunts were annoying, he's a shitty forest Elve, fuck him. Also Orlando Bloom was a VERY bad choice.

Aragorn was played well, but totally done wrong: He came up as a whingey bitch. "Boo hoo I'm scared of being King" instead of "I'm going to become King for famililal reasons aswel as the fact that I can now bone Arwen"

That's just the first film thus far, and I haven't watched any of them for aaaaages. It gets way worse throughout the second and third.

Dark Helmet
13th January 07, 11:24 PM
I'd box Lowtax.
If only I had seen the movies I would know who the fuck you were talking about.Then I'd be in on the joke.

WarPhalange
13th January 07, 11:36 PM
Does your ISP live under a rock or something? Lowtax is from www.somethingawful.com

He's the webmaster guy. He boxed Uwe Boll and got his ass handed to him.

Question!
14th January 07, 02:31 AM
In the match in which Uwe, so focused was he on how to improve his film making, 'forgot' to mention he was an ex-amateur boxer and the previously agreed on friendly match statement.

Alex
14th January 07, 02:49 AM
That's just ONE point though, isn't it? As for the saving Frodo, yes the High Elve would have been cool but unworkable, but to be fair: The Ringwraiths would have effortlessly slaughtered Arwen it would be serious fucking lulz for Sauron.

The pronounciation of Sauron too, would have been okay if Tolkien hadn't specifically stated how alot of stuff was pronounced.

The toss me part totally misconstrued the Dwarven attitude. ALL of Legolas' stunts were annoying, he's a shitty forest Elve, fuck him. Also Orlando Bloom was a VERY bad choice.

Aragorn was played well, but totally done wrong: He came up as a whingey bitch. "Boo hoo I'm scared of being King" instead of "I'm going to become King for famililal reasons aswel as the fact that I can now bone Arwen"

That's just the first film thus far, and I haven't watched any of them for aaaaages. It gets way worse throughout the second and third.

the one thing that got up my nose was the constant fucking use of gimli as comic relief. yes, hes short. yes, dwarf tossing is funny. no, making a joke about it for the FIFTIETH FUCKING TIME is not funny.

legolas was fine. i agree with the shield bit though. too lol. i dont know where you get Aragorn being a whiny bitch from.

I didnt really like that the elves sent a bunch of guys to helms deep, that was dumb. it didnt happen in the book for a number of reasons and shouldnt have happened in the movie.

Shawarma
14th January 07, 10:56 AM
The LOTR movie series was sheer undilluted gayness. Every single major character was a huge fruit picked for their prettiness over their acting ability. Tolkien will beat the shit out of Peter Jackson in the afterlife for taking his ultra-manly saga of constant assbeatings and gay it up thusly.
I welcome Jackson not being allowed to make The Hobbit. I would not be able to stand another twenty hours of him raping Tolkien posthumely.
That being said, the oliphants and ents were damn manly. The movie should have been about them instead of pansy hairy-footed midgets.

Iscariot
14th January 07, 11:20 AM
The LOTR movie series was sheer undilluted gayness. Every single major character was a huge fruit picked for their prettiness over their acting ability.
I do love the irony in that statement when the best actor in the Trilogy was picked not for his looks and is the only actual gay cast member.

Shawarma
14th January 07, 11:36 AM
True that. I correct my former statement to stating that the movie should have been all about oliphants, ents and Gandalf kicking ass.

Iscariot
14th January 07, 11:54 AM
True that. I correct my former statement to stating that the movie should have been all about oliphants, ents and Gandalf kicking ass.
The Bean is displeased about being exempt from this list!
http://www.naxosaudiobooks.com/IMAGES/READERS/seanbean.jpg

Shawarma
14th January 07, 01:28 PM
Mr. Bean might be a competent actor, but he still had the misfortune of being saddled with a very sucky role in the movie, getting killed at the end of the first film. No honourable mention for pussies who can't fight off a few hundred orcs.

Come to think of it, why does Sean Bean always get sucky parts? He was the merc wannabe in Ronin, the worthless husband in Silent Hill, a role I can't even remember in one of Pierce Brosnan's gruesome James Bond movies and got shot early on in Equilibrium. He's not a bad actor, why keep on throwing him bad parts?

Iscariot
14th January 07, 08:06 PM
Mr. Bean might be a competent actor, but he still had the misfortune of being saddled with a very sucky role in the movie, getting killed at the end of the first film. No honourable mention for pussies who can't fight off a few hundred orcs.

Come to think of it, why does Sean Bean always get sucky parts? He was the merc wannabe in Ronin, the worthless husband in Silent Hill, a role I can't even remember in one of Pierce Brosnan's gruesome James Bond movies and got shot early on in Equilibrium. He's not a bad actor, why keep on throwing him bad parts?
Bean ruled in LOTR. You had Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli at the top of the hill with the occasional dead orc. At the bottom of the hill you had Boromir and HEAPS of dead orc carcasses. They had to shoot him with tree trunks to kill him.

His death was entirely justified in Equilibrium, he formed the basis of the moral compass of the film.

Silent Hill was a fuck up due to the producers. Can't comment on Ronin.

The Bean rules. He was Sharpe and he fucked Joely Richardson up the arse on camera. The man cannot put in a poor performance. He is the epitome of cool.

ThaiBoxerShorts
14th January 07, 09:17 PM
If they do make a Hobbit movie, I hope they hire better dialog writers.

http://homepage.mac.com/thaiboxerjohn/.Pictures/two-towers-06.jpg

Seriously.

Question!
14th January 07, 11:17 PM
WTF? Is that a Photoshop job or a bootleg? (I've bought bootleg DVD's where the subtitles were completely different than the dialogue)

Oh, is Gimli saying that? And who is he saying that too?

Steve
14th January 07, 11:38 PM
Gimli is courting his dwarven betrothed in that pic.

Dagon Akujin
15th January 07, 12:19 AM
(I've bought bootleg DVD's where the subtitles were completely different than the dialogue)



My version seems to be a little different as well:






http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg01202004/bbg.jpg

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg01202004/Doctor-McNinja.jpg

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg01202004/Komrade-Hitlerstalin2.jpg

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg01202004/Faid2.jpg

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg01202004/Komrade-Hitlerstalin1.jpg

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg01202004/Linguica.jpg

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg01202004/TheNinjaScotsman.jpg

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg01202004/tragick.jpg

link (http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=1924)

Question!
15th January 07, 12:36 AM
i dont know where you get Aragorn being a whiny bitch from.


http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/fairy_king.jpg

From an old Maddox rant.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=lotr1

ThaiBoxerShorts
15th January 07, 01:50 AM
WTF? Is that a Photoshop job or a bootleg? (I've bought bootleg DVD's where the subtitles were completely different than the dialogue)

Oh, is Gimli saying that? And who is he saying that too?
The actual line is "Bring your pretty face to my axe," but something apparently got lost in translation.

Question!
15th January 07, 01:55 AM
Ahhh I see, but was it a photoshop job or bootleg?

ThaiBoxerShorts
15th January 07, 02:12 AM
Bootleg.

Sun Wukong
15th January 07, 01:35 PM
Only part I didn't like was when Legolas slid down the stairs on his shield. Too "extreme".


Oh, and the whole "toss me" part.


Oh we are both on the same page with both of those. They way, way, way over-did the whole "Legolas is totally radical dude!" with respect to marketing this movie toward kids and girls. They could have done it without going so far overboard.

Sun Wukong
15th January 07, 01:38 PM
Maybe give Ralph Bakshi another chance?
http://files.myopera.com/VegaTheTerrible/blog/W.jpg

Wizards, FTW.

Steve
15th January 07, 01:41 PM
^^Yup, yup.

I looked at the cover of my copy to make sure that I had the spelling of Ralph's name right.

Sun Wukong
15th January 07, 03:07 PM
Necron 99 is the baddest cyborg/robot assasin ever. At least he's the most fun to watch.

Kiko
15th January 07, 05:44 PM
While we're talking about Bakshi...
http://www.cinemarts.com/itemimages/item_2429_1.jpg
Saw that long ago on a first date. I need to find a copy on DVD now.. It's a pain hooking up the VHS.

billy sol hurok
15th January 07, 08:13 PM
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00003CWQI.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1056662406_.jpg

Sun Wukong
16th January 07, 12:13 AM
I never finished watching American Pop.