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Stick
20th October 06, 05:11 PM
I am going to say right here and now, spoilers shall abound throughout this thread and if you get spoiled the only person to blame is you; that said, I don't want to see spoiler tags or black text used, you pansies.

So tonight, the Galactica returns to New Caprica to mont a massive rescue operation. From the previews it would seem that Pegausus jumps into the fray as well, against orders, and may be in some trouble. Frankly I don't see how the Galactica alone could succeed against 5 basestars, and there's no way every ship is getting off the surface in tact.

From last weeks episode, Exodous part 1, I got an overwhelming sense of dread and foreboding when D'ana Beers (number 3?) told Sharon that her baby was still alive and Sharon blew out her kneecaps and said "Adama wouldn't lie to me". When she finds out the truth, if she finds out the truth, bad things will happen to people around her.

Alright, Iscariot, do your worst.

Iscariot
20th October 06, 06:03 PM
Fucker! I've only seen the first two episodes........ Next time post the bloody thread on time. Git.


Right, on with the show. Firstly, let's take stock at what has happened. Season 1 started with a bang, the excellent and tense '33' IMS, Season 2 was slower, a lot slower. Season 3 is practically in reverse. The intro to a new series should be second only to the season finale in it's spectacle and interest, it's the time to grab new fans. Season 3 doesn't do this. It is slow and plodding with some distinctly rough and hazy switches between the different narrative arcs. Now while I might agree that long running story arcs are a good idea, the way these were presented in the first two episodes were not accessible to the first time viewer. There was little to no recap of the major arcs of the past two seasons. This is a bad thing, not for newbies, I couldn't give a shit about them, but for the show itself. If a show merely maintains, or only increases its audience by a small amount then the executives get involved, look at what happened to B5 and Crusade......

The temporal progress of the narrative is puzzling and very concerning. Over two episodes (the last of S2 and the first of S3) we have made two HUGE jumps forward in time, and with no good or recognised reason. Bear in mind the quality that was S1 that only happened over 7 months or so of narrative time due to the quality of the story arc that had been written. Such a huge leap SCREAMS at me that either the writers have just lost all ability to write from where they'd taken themselves (called 'writing yourself into a corner') or, the death warrant for most series, a major change in the writing staff.

Regardless of the reasons for it, the BSG continuity has effectively been reset, which I feel cheats the long term fans who have watched the series from the start. Everything that was in the continuity is open to change, which is the rookie trick of an unimaginative creative team. It also looks (from my POV as I've only seen the first two episodes) as if they've killed off Laura Roslin and Tom Zarek (although I'd have killed off Richard Hatch three seasons ago, whining fucker!). Now while no series should be afraid of killing off any character, the death of Roslin in such a wasteful pointless and a dis-service to fans.

Analogy. The whole use of analogy to current events is just.....clumsy. Not even Star Trek was ever so bad at it, and that's saying something. What stood out for me was the discussion surrounding suicide bombers, regardless of anyone's political beliefs about it, the exposition of the debate was so plain and unimaginative that it almost caused me to turn off then and there. I'm surprised more Americans haven't been critical of the imagery that US forces in Iraq equate with Cylons.

Quite frankly I'm disappointed with the whole thing, it reminds me of Terminator 3, something that looks like something known and loved, but actually a blantantly obvious and clumsy piece of shit. I was always impressed that BSG managed to entertain and, at times, surprise me considering what I do. This series has been sub calibre. I'm currently unsure as to whether to bother downloading any more episodes, or just wait for it to show up over here and watch it casually.

Iscariot
20th October 06, 06:09 PM
Oh, and the subject of Humano-Cylons:
Number 3 = D'Anna Biers
Number 5 = Aaron Doral
Number 6 = Shelley Godfrey, Gina, and Caprica Six et al.
Number 8 = Sharon Valerii
Number ? = Leoben Conoy
Number ? = Simon
Number ? = Brother Cavil

Stick
20th October 06, 06:18 PM
First, you obviously never saw the Star Trek episodes pitting the black-white people against the white-black people, the nazis, the missile crisis, or the one where they find an alien race that was post apocalyptic US/USSR down to the designs of the flags and the words of the declaration fo independence.

Second, I warned you that this was a spoilerific thread- Rosslin and Zaric do not die.

Third, I can't really defend the time jumps more than to say that the journey to earth should take years, but frankly I'd rather not have to wait 7 seasons to represent 7 years in BSG time. Plus it let's them change the dynamic a lot, so far they seem to have done this well; finding Kobal, finding Pegasus- all these big show changing things that essentially came form no where and had nothing to do with what was going on in the fleet and the characters have worked out as far as I'm concerned. Though I'll admit the commander shuffle on Pegasus was sort of annoying.

Iscariot
20th October 06, 06:31 PM
First, you obviously never saw the Star Trek episodes pitting the black-white people against the white-black people, the nazis, the missile crisis, or the one where they find an alien race that was post apocalyptic US/USSR down to the designs of the flags and the words of the declaration fo independence.
Yes, I did, but that was in the sixties. I expect and demand that BSG be aiming for B5 level of writing, not this transparent analogy rubbish they've pulled out.


Second, I warned you that this was a spoilerific thread- Rosslin and Zaric do not die.
Your new name is Gitty McGittish! Go summarise the Coda Scott thread :-P


Third, I can't really defend the time jumps more than to say that the journey to earth should take years, but frankly I'd rather not have to wait 7 seasons to represent 7 years in BSG time. Plus it let's them change the dynamic a lot, so far they seem to have done this well; finding Kobal, finding Pegasus- all these big show changing things that essentially came form no where and had nothing to do with what was going on in the fleet and the characters have worked out as far as I'm concerned. Though I'll admit the commander shuffle on Pegasus was sort of annoying.
I don't actually mind moderate time jumps, but 16 months in two episodes is just excessive and betrays a lack of forward planning in the story arcs.

They have FTL technology, the journey to Earth should be a piece of piss, especially if they learnt anything off that Raider they stole. Personally I think that anymore of the 'Let's go find Earth!' crap will ruin the series beyond repair, they should leave it as something Adama made up in a crisis.

I can't say I minded the Pegasus command shuttle, apart from that pointless idiot engineer who was in charge, that wasted an episode. My problem was the waste of such a good character in Helena Cain. They should have made her the same rank as Adama and pulled the whole 'my ship has more combat effectiveness, therefore I'm in command' shit. Then she could have been charged with war crimes and replaced Tigh as XO.

Stick
21st October 06, 03:19 AM
Your idea for Cane's rank is flat out stupid.

As for Earth being something Adama made up, it is clear that it was an existing legend for the people of the Colonies much they way our civilization has the legend of Atlantis. However when they found Kobal and the star chart there it was made clear that Earth is very much real in the BSG universe and that it is very far away.

Before Pegasus arrived, Starbuck was planning to send a rescue mission back to Caprica and she and Adama estimated it would take 250 odd jumps- a conservative estimate- to get from where they'd traveled in roughly one year back to Caprica. I think BSG clearly established that FTL doesn't magically get them from A to B instantly, where A & B are meaningful destinations, ie habbitable or having necessary resources. Hell when the explited the Cylon heavy raider to make it back to Caprica in like 7 jumps they still fucked up and lost one raptor in a nebula where they found New Caprica and the lost another raptor when it jumped into a fucking mountain.

Also, episode 3x04, if you don't find that battle badass then nothing can save you in my mind and you should just test your wind pipe's ressistance to piano wire at the earliest opportunity.

Steve
21st October 06, 03:31 AM
Iscariot is watching the show.

Dai Tenshi wins.

DAYoung
21st October 06, 07:49 AM
Battlestar Galactica is sillier than seventies porn.

http://www.thesecretcinema.com/reems.gif

Iscariot
21st October 06, 07:57 AM
Also, episode 3x04, if you don't find that battle badass then nothing can save you in my mind and you should just test your wind pipe's ressistance to piano wire at the earliest opportunity.
Eps 3 and 4 are now on my Torrent list, and will be watched whenever they get round to dowloading.

Piano wire is useless, I have teh r3al @nt1-p1an0 w1re!!! MJS taught me it from his archery Fu!!!

Stick
21st October 06, 02:39 PM
Battlestar Galactica is sillier than seventies porn.


You want pain.

DAYoung
21st October 06, 05:32 PM
Viewing this thread is enough.

Quikfeet509
22nd October 06, 11:09 PM
Since brevity is the soul of wit, I'll make this short:


While I watched "Exodus, Pt 2", I had some pre-cum in my panties. It was that good. Good day.

DAYoung
22nd October 06, 11:14 PM
BSG: arousing premature ejaculators since 2006.

Stick
22nd October 06, 11:16 PM
2003 actually.

DAYoung: not knowing good TV when he see it since whenever the hell it was he was born.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/tenshirisu/1161457108230.gif
pure badass

DAYoung
22nd October 06, 11:27 PM
Don't be mad, Dai Tenshi. I think it's nice that you've got your little space show.

Do you like to paint the little model space ships, and make laser-gun sounds?

Stick
22nd October 06, 11:29 PM
No.

DAYoung
22nd October 06, 11:35 PM
No.

C'mon. This is you.

http://www.curemode.com/battlestar/images/steve2.jpg

Stick
22nd October 06, 11:40 PM
You're an ineffective troll; we all know you love Battlestar Galactica.

Quikfeet509
22nd October 06, 11:42 PM
BSG: arousing premature ejaculators since 2006.



Actually quite the opposite. Without bragging about how I have similarities with chimpanzees [in the context of the testes/bodyweight ratio that evolutionary biologists love to talk about], I'll just say have I plenty to go around.


Enjoy that. Oh, and I weigh 210 lbs and still have a great ratio.




Now watch the damn episode.

DAYoung
22nd October 06, 11:44 PM
You're an ineffective troll; we all know you love Battlestar Galactica.

Actually, I've never watched it, but I'm sure I'd enjoy it. I remember the original series.

Is what I was doing really trolling? I thought the idea of trolling was to pretend you really believe it, and to piss people off - whereas it's been patently obvious that I'm not serious.

DAYoung
22nd October 06, 11:45 PM
Actually quite the opposite. Without bragging about how I have similarities with chimpanzees [in the context of the testes/bodyweight ratio that evolutionary biologists love to talk about], I'll just say have I plenty to go around. Enjoy that. Oh, and I weigh 210 lbs and still have a great ratio.

Don't believe everything your sisters tell you.

Quikfeet509
22nd October 06, 11:57 PM
Don't believe everything your sisters tell you.


Well if she's lying, she must be a great actress. Or is it actor now? I always forget the new PC / non-gender-biased word play.



Moving on.

Buzman
23rd October 06, 11:25 AM
The Galactica popping into the planets atmosphere, dropping it's birds, and popping back out was the coolest thing BSG has done to date fx wise. The space battle in this episode was also pretty kick ass. Pegasus saving Galactica's ass then raming a basestar, and taking out another as well, sweet! Oh, and Ty offing his own wife, nice move.

Quikfeet509
23rd October 06, 12:45 PM
Ty's wife took the cup out of his own hand...it looked like he might have changed his mind, wanted to drink it himself, or was just waiting to give it to her.


Anyway, she's a cylon. So is Apollo's wife.

That's my guess, anyway.

Sun Wukong
24th October 06, 02:56 AM
Ty's wife took the cup out of his own hand...it looked like he might have changed his mind, wanted to drink it himself, or was just waiting to give it to her.


Anyway, she's a cylon. So is Apollo's wife.

That's my guess, anyway.

Yeah, I can't get it out of my head that wacko, crazy and contrived story she had about being rescued by some mysterious 'hero'.

The XO is fucking crazy. I mean, post genocidal holocaust I'd probably be a little nuts too, but damn, he's really fallen off the deep end now. There's nothing left for him other than a bitter death, a court martial or perhaps to go out in a blaze of glory.

Whatever the case, he's a great character. I don't know whether to spit at the screen when I see him or feel pity for him. Which is another point about this show kicking ass... you can almost always EMOTE for the characters.

Best show on TV in a very, very long time.

Stick
24th October 06, 03:33 AM
Thing about Ty's wife, remember the episode where she came back? Remember the comical shuffle over who exactly Baltar was supposed to be testing for cylonness and how he gave Ellen an "all clear at the end of the episode", but then 6 asked him "what did it really say?"

"I'll never tell."

/cue sinister music

Her survival story was just impossible, she's always been undermining Ty, Rosslin, Adama, humanity- I wouldn't be surprised if she was a cylon.

I pitty Ty a great deal, his suffering has only begun.

DerAuslander108
24th October 06, 02:25 PM
Battlestar Galactica is sillier than seventies porn.

Maybe...but then, you haven't met Grace Park.

I have.

DAYoung
24th October 06, 03:57 PM
Maybe...but then, you haven't met Grace Park.

I have.

I don't think stalking her by mobile phone and stealing her panties from the laundromat counts as 'meeting', Der.

DerAuslander108
24th October 06, 04:00 PM
I don't think stalking her by mobile phone and stealing her panties from the laundromat counts as 'meeting'.

You're just jealous.

DAYoung
24th October 06, 04:09 PM
You're just jealous.

DuhHorsePhilanderer, I think it's sweet that you got to meet an actress. Really, I do. But I think her act of charity is much more impressive - think of all the other, better things should could've been doing...

DerAuslander108
24th October 06, 04:28 PM
You're right.

She could have been making love to Kristin Kruek.

DAYoung
24th October 06, 04:30 PM
http://www.freewebs.com/cawdorkennels/mac%20drool.jpg

Phrost
24th October 06, 04:35 PM
2003 actually.

DAYoung: not knowing good TV when he see it since whenever the hell it was he was born.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/tenshirisu/1161457108230.gif
pure badass

Best fucking hour on TV since Babylon 5 ended its arc.

Buzman
24th October 06, 05:35 PM
I pitty Ty a great deal, his suffering has only begun.

Ty is the man, that dude is hardcore.

Sun Wukong
24th October 06, 06:57 PM
Ty is the man, that dude is hardcore.

He's a selfish, empty, ethically bancrupt, hipocritical dickhead who'll flush innocent lives down the drain just because he's having a bad day.

But he's a great character. He has so many glaring flaws that he actually looks real. Poor crazy bastard.

Quikfeet509
25th October 06, 08:09 PM
He's a selfish, empty, ethically bancrupt, hipocritical dickhead who'll flush innocent lives down the drain just because he's having a bad day.

But he's a great character. He has so many glaring flaws that he actually looks real. Poor crazy bastard.


You know, Tigh : http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/battlestargalactica/tigh.jpg























...kinda reminds me of:













http://www.kcet.org/media/uploads/programs/homepage/john_mccain_ft.jpg

Phrost
25th October 06, 08:38 PM
That would make GWB Adama.

Suck on that Dai-Utensils!

Stick
25th October 06, 11:33 PM
Dai-Utensils?

Dude, you suck.

Here's a perfectly good list of puns on my name that don't suck as hard as your attempt:

Dai-Tinsle
Dai-Testicle
Dai-Testi
Dai-Titty-Tassle
Dai-Tranny
Dai-Toilet
Dai-Travesty
Dai-Trixie

And Adama's McArthur- he said he'd be back.

Stick
28th October 06, 12:27 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Lt. Getta is the god damn man!

A slower paced episode, lots of talk and character developement, little action. But damn if what we got wasn't great. Jammer's dead. Starbuck and Anders are history. Lee's working the fat off (funny he uses an American accent but then says something like "I've dropped a stone", what? a kidney stone? silly limies). Zarick is still a slime ball- so much for being a romantic interest for the prez (not me, but some people were talking about this as if it were a good idea), guess her and the admiral have no obstacles. Tigh's a fucking douchebag, and he should never be allowed to look Getta in the eyes again. Also, Tigh needs to get a cooler eye patch a real eye patch, the fucking medical wad just ain't cutting it anymore, he needs a black leather eyepatch bolted to his skull to complete the hard-as-nails killer look he's cultivating.

And again, Getta is the god damn man!

DAYoung
28th October 06, 02:46 AM
http://wilddamntexan.com/kids/bsg_desk_toys.jpg

Stick
28th October 06, 08:25 PM
Trackballs sck. Must be your desk.

DAYoung
28th October 06, 11:14 PM
Interesting response. Points for originality.

Quikfeet509
29th October 06, 06:30 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Lt. Getta is the god damn man!

A slower paced episode, lots of talk and character developement, little action. But damn if what we got wasn't great. Jammer's dead. Starbuck and Anders are history. Lee's working the fat off (funny he uses an American accent but then says something like "I've dropped a stone", what? a kidney stone? silly limies). Zarick is still a slime ball- so much for being a romantic interest for the prez (not me, but some people were talking about this as if it were a good idea), guess her and the admiral have no obstacles. Tigh's a fucking douchebag, and he should never be allowed to look Getta in the eyes again. Also, Tigh needs to get a cooler eye patch a real eye patch, the fucking medical wad just ain't cutting it anymore, he needs a black leather eyepatch bolted to his skull to complete the hard-as-nails killer look he's cultivating.

And again, Getta is the god damn man!


Getta is a toaster.

Tigh rocks. Just because he has the stones to off his own wife as a collaborator (which makes you jealous), does not mean his a douche. Besides, I like the fallen hero / bad drunk character he plays...makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Stick
29th October 06, 06:51 PM
Getta is a toaster.


Take that back or pay the ultimate price.

I'll admit Tigh is a great character, but that doesn't mean he has the right to look Geta in the eyes.

AAAhmed46
29th October 06, 07:26 PM
i really should get into this.

Quikfeet509
29th October 06, 08:59 PM
Take that back or pay the ultimate price.

I'll admit Tigh is a great character, but that doesn't mean he has the right to look Geta in the eyes.


Remember when he had the "insight" to set up a network on Galactica? Or when he had the "insight" to go back and check to film to prove Baltar's innocence (after Baltar made a concession to his lover)?





It's okay. He's a great toaster and we all love him dearly. His execution will be a painful moment for us all.

Stick
29th October 06, 10:25 PM
Shut the frack up, he's brilliant and human and I have a totally hetero-man-crush on him and there's no way he's a toaster!

mrblackmagic
31st October 06, 12:50 AM
Getta is a toaster.

It would be perfect. He's so "human" that'd be a great hook.

When is Adama going to realize Tigh is too much of a liability?

DerAuslander108
31st October 06, 01:44 AM
Man, I can't believe they killed Jammer! I was hoping he'd stay on, and then Kirstin Kruek would show up, and it'd be like a big Edgemont reunion!!!

elipson
2nd November 06, 01:35 AM
Was anyone suprised that Getta was the source? Hell I knew it right away. It was kind of obvious.

The whole fleet would have been fucked if not for him, and they almost killed him!

Tigh was leading the whole insurgency wrong. The guy has got balls, and some mad dedication, but he is bordering on being a liability.

I REALLY want them to just kill baltar already.

On a side note, Space plays the original Battlestar during the day. Its kind of cool, they are actually following a lot of the same plot from the old series.

DAYoung
2nd November 06, 04:39 AM
I heard Battlestar Galactica was getting cancelled.

Read about why here (http://portland.metblogs.com/archives/2006/10/its_time_to_get.phtml).

Stick
2nd November 06, 05:12 AM
Stop trying to start vicious rumors.

DAYoung
2nd November 06, 05:31 AM
I tried.

*moves from foot to foot, wanders off slowly*

DerAuslander108
2nd November 06, 11:27 AM
No!!!

Do Not Cancel!!!

mrblackmagic
4th November 06, 09:00 PM
The series will end when the writers are good and ready.

Dammit, it's too late to start a deadpool.

DAYoung
4th November 06, 09:06 PM
The series will end when the writers are good and ready.

Dammit, it's too late to start a deadpool.

It's a shame Katee Sackhoff is leaving. She really brings something crucial to the show.

Phrost
4th November 06, 09:36 PM
Man, I can't believe they killed Jammer! I was hoping he'd stay on, and then Kirstin Kruek would show up, and it'd be like a big Edgemont reunion!!!

They didn't kill Jammer, they just launched him in the new invisible viper they were testing.

From another forum:

"LAUNCH THE ALERT JAMMERS!"

Stick
4th November 06, 11:24 PM
"LAUNCH THE ALERT JAMMERS!"

LoLerJammer

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/tenshirisu/bsgairlock2.gif

So, speculation on this virus. It was there waiting for them, and it wiped out an entire base star in at most a matter of days. Does it affect humans? Is it an organic virus? A computer virus? Why did 6 not say anything when she realized Baltar lied about there being nothing out of place or unusual on the ship?

If it was left by the humans who went on to Earth, how is it that it so completely destroys Cylons? Those humans presumably found their way thousands of years ago, how could they have developed a weapon that so completely destroys an enemy that wasn't even created untill like 50 years ago? Perhaps something from the prophecies about how all this has happened before and will all happen again.

What was with the almost fearful response to Baltar's quesions about the other 5 cylon models? What was it they said, "we don't talk about them"? Are they simply responding as such for Baltar's benefit rather than coming out and saying "we didn't want to blow the cover of our other 5 agents within the fleet"? That seems to me to be the most reasonable explanation for why the other 5 never showed their face on New Caprica or on the ship to Baltar, but at the same time it may offer an explanation for the virus; what if there's something wrong with one of the other 5 models?

Perhaps there was a rebellion of sorts within that 40 year period that nothing was heard from the cylons. Could a splinter group- say the number 1s- have gone off in search of earth and left traps to prevent the other models from following? Perhaps one or two of the models simply never could get past that first law of robotics and is utterly incapable of harming a human being, maybe they're headed to Earth to protect it and warn the humans there.

Stupid idea, maybe it's aliens.

Apollo sure did drop weight quickly enough, I guess they got tired of putting him in the fat-fatty-fat make-up ^_^ Poor guy, Helo calls him "Slim".

Starbuck and Tigh are problematic. Did anyone else half expect Tigh to shoot himself right then and there? Can Starbuck get her act back together, that had to at least hurt her when Adama told her he no longer thought of her as a daughter.

And man, when Boomer, er, Athena finds out her baby's alive she's gonna fucking kill someone.

elipson
5th November 06, 07:01 PM
How many episodes before Tigh offs himself? 3?

Phrost
5th November 06, 07:23 PM
RDM mentioned in one of the podcasts that the 7 we've seen are programmed to not think of the other 5.

Stick
5th November 06, 07:27 PM
Perhaps one of the cylon models was a limitted edition and was sent to humanity pre-war with an entirely different kind of plan in mind.

Maybe Getta is a cylon, but he's the only copy.....

Yeah, no.

Perhaps they're programmed not to think of the other 5 untill they know one of those models to have been "outed" to humanity. Sort of like compartmentalizing Top Secret materials, it's a need to know basis and the other 7 don't need to know.

DAYoung
5th November 06, 10:46 PM
Ugh. This is like a Wing Chun discussion.

Stick
5th November 06, 11:55 PM
So help me I will fly to Australia and go a Clockwork Orange on you- without the eye-drops!

DAYoung
6th November 06, 12:08 AM
Nice one.

*guards centreline*

EuropIan
6th November 06, 07:45 PM
This show is awesome (I'm on season 1, thusly, I have elegantly dodged all spoilers)

Damn you for introducing me to this show. I want to sleep. But I must know what happens next.

Quikfeet509
6th November 06, 09:10 PM
Interesting episode. I was thinking the other day that it was odd that Baltar was in his lover's head (like she is in his) then the story line disappeared.


Who wants to bet that the "God's Helpers" are the new series equivalent of those wierd, bright glowing crystal ships from the first series?

EuropIan
7th November 06, 02:27 PM
I have watching almost the entire first season(Oh noes! Adama!), Except the "Tigh me up" episode. Could anyone give me a summary of that particular episode?

Also, I am watching the 2nd season now. Very exciting indeed.

Quikfeet509
8th November 06, 12:21 AM
Today I had to leave the hospital with a fever, nausea, and vomiting. While I was wrything in my bed, I suddenly had what alcoholics call a "moment of clarity"...

Here goes:


Remember when the cylon chick said that they pride the collective more than individual cylons, and Baltar told his lady friend [in her head no less] that they were going to try and off he because they can't sit around and let an individual cyclon gain too much power? Well, that's why they don't talk about the other five. They were created to be individual leaders, a concept that the majority fell our of favor with. But instead of killing them [remember Baltar's lady was the first to commit cylon-cylon violence], they just blanked their memories and sent them out into the human population.


Wow that made more sense earlier.

Quikfeet509
8th November 06, 12:22 AM
I have watching almost the entire first season(Oh noes! Adama!), Except the "Tigh me up" episode. Could anyone give me a summary of that particular episode?

Also, I am watching the 2nd season now. Very exciting indeed.


http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/0109/

Sun Wukong
11th November 06, 05:35 AM
Yeah, Tigh has got to get an eye-patch soon. that gauze is starting to get annoying.

Quikfeet509
11th November 06, 11:36 PM
Nobody discussing "A Measure of Salvation"?


If Helio's wife really meant what she said in her speech, she will be turning him in at the beginning of the next episode. Personally, I think the ending was fine since if they had gone through with their plan, it would of somehow fizzled anyway. After all, the toasters weren't even sure if the disease would actually upload.


Oh, and I guess Baltar better not sneeze will he gets tortured.

Sun Wukong
12th November 06, 04:42 AM
I thought it was kinda lame that Helo punked out. I mean, a really bad disease withstanding, it wouldn't have wiped out the entire race. It might have wiped out that fleet, but all they had to do was isolate the infected fleet and stay there until they either came up with medication or they died.

It's not that hard to comprehend, that's how people survived all the plagues that used to run rampant before the modern age.

The premise of this last episode wasn't exactly stellar in comparison to their previous work... they didn't change writer's did they?

Buzman
14th November 06, 05:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kve1oGPjf8&eurl=

Sun Wukong
16th November 06, 05:10 PM
Deleted post.

wrong thread...

Quikfeet509
19th November 06, 10:41 PM
"Hero"


Nice for them to come back with a nice, mental ass-raping episode. And to those that thought Tigh was a bad character...

Quikfeet509
20th November 06, 12:18 AM
WTF is Dai on this thread? Are you sulking because you know that your boy is a toaster?

Sun Wukong
20th November 06, 02:41 AM
"Hero"


Nice for them to come back with a nice, mental ass-raping episode. And to those that thought Tigh was a bad character...

No, I think Tigh's a great character. Is he unreliable, irresponsible and unfit to serve as XO? Yeah probably, but he's still a great character.

elipson
22nd November 06, 01:51 AM
He's a wicked character for the show.

Does anyone think bulldog is a skin job? That wouldn't make sense.

Aaranar
22nd November 06, 12:13 PM
SCI FI Channel will move its hit series Battlestar Galactica to Sunday nights, TV Guide is reporting and the Chicago Tribune has confirmed. Starting January 21, the network will resume Season Three of the show at 10 p.m. Eastern and Pacific on Sunday nights.

The show has struggled in the ratings since the new season premiered in October. SCI FI bumped the series from a summer premiere -- alongside former Friday night companions Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis -- to a fall premiere.

All three original series have seen lower ratings this year, with SG-1 quickly cancelled after its record-setting tenth season.

Battlestar Galactica's new timeslot competition will include ABC's Brothers and Sisters and CBS's Without a Trace.

New episodes of Galactica currently air every Friday at 9 p.m. Eastern/Pacific.

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Source : http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2006/11/ibattlestar_galacticai_moving_to_sunday_nights.sht ml

Stick
1st December 06, 10:04 PM
Apollo + Starbuck 4 3v4R!

That was so fucked up what she did to him. Apollo has put up with so much shit from her, and that, wow, that was just fucking harsh. So I'm guessing Apollo and D's marriage won't be lasting long. Hopefully Starbuck can shape her ship up and love him back the way he does her. Pretty good fight too, couldn't shake the feeling that even when Apollo unloaded on her a bit he was holding back, somethign tells me he could tear her apart; she starts throwing kicks and he doesn't respond in kind... then they end up in the clinch of luv awwwwwww

I suppose the results will have to wait till next week.

Quikfeet509
3rd December 06, 12:56 AM
Fucked up episode. While I cheer for the world where I can punch my wife for serving my dinner cold, the whole fight seemed improper and reminded me of watching retarded people fucking.


Fuck the writers if they decide to hook up Apollo and Starbuck. Starbuck is supposed to be a loose cannon, and the whole settling down shit is recockulous. Her character is appealing when she is on the edge and annoying when she is Martha Stewart. And quit making Apollo into a love-sick little bitch. He also is more exciting when he is pissed off and taking names.



Actually, who they really need is:

http://ihatedrcox.com/scrubs/pictures/another-cox-speech.jpg

Sun Wukong
3rd December 06, 04:31 AM
Well, I agree with Quikfeet on this episode. Worst episode to date and if I were to see even two more episodes like this in a row, I'd stop watching the show unless they fired someone. As a matter of fact...hold on just one second...

JESUS CHRIST NO FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!

FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!

They fucking hired a god damn staff writer from fucking PIECE OF SHIT DEEP SPACE NINE!!!!

GOD DAMN IT!!!!

PLEASE GOD, SOMEBODY START A PETITION TO GET THIS FUCKER GONE!!!

Sun Wukong
3rd December 06, 06:44 AM
Let me take apart this episode into it individual pieces that suck and explain my little loss of temper just now.

1. Ok, they were wearing fucking boxing gloves because... everlast apparently has intergalactic sporting goods shipping.

2. They were fucking boxing... in a boxing ring... whereas if this show were to follow paradigm of being a cross between Judaic and Greek mythology then they should have been fighting more similar to old school pancrase or catch wrestling.

3. The fucking gloves they were wearing are god damn 16 oz gloves.... yet they were all bleeding like stuck pigs from damn near every shot that landed. Please, just try to cut someone with those things on right at the start of the fight, let alone Starbuck with her twiggy, soft little arms actually managing to make gushing cuts on a dude obviously many times stronger than she. This may be a minor point to some, but bear with me, i'm going somewhere with this.

4. Suddenly everyone is a boxing expert on the show, not that they actually impressed me with the fighting... if anything the fight coreography was many notches below par... but when madame president former secretary of education (who so far I've really thought was well written) suddenly started giving boxing advice (which was, by the way... terribly cliche'd sounding) it didn't sound like the multifaceted individuals from BSG at all. It sounded like the douchebag cookie cutter sci-fi people from Star Trek who ALL are somehow knowledgeable about everything no matter how far removed it is from their lives.

5. The scene with Apollo yelling "I love.." Blah blah blah was too linear and too forced. It's not the way people go about courting each other. It lacked any semblance of subtlety or artfully disclosed discourse. It was too much too soon, and pretty much was just Apollo being a huge douche bag and starbuck being bipolar.

6. The coreography in the fights was god awful, this needed it's own seperate bullet.

7. The big grand point that Adama made about not losing your military bearing or getting comfortable was retarded. These people just started out on their second, run like mad from the cylons marathon and are just now recovering from occupation by homocidal lunatic self aware killing machines... they don't need to be reminded about not relaxing at a bad time.

Adama only had himself to blame for letting his best warrant officer get off his ship. He didn't need to teach the chief about letting his guard down because the chief was helping to lead the resistance. If anything, he should have called out Apollo for being such a conflicted douche with little idea where his loyalty lies. Instead, he called out a guy who was just part of a tribunal that flushed an old friend out of an airlock for consorting with the enemy.

8. This is a show about WAR. Not soap opera bullshit. Now we have to sit through starbuck and apollo trying to get together while their actual spouses emotionally languish. If the writer's have any sense, they'll cut this shit out as just a moment of regret upon which Apollo goes back to his wife and Starbuck ditches her husband because she's turned into an emotional baggage junkyard.

9. The episode was transparent from beginning to end. Every damn part of it was predictable.

10. Apollo sucker punched a starbuck, the woman he supposedly loves or currently secretly loves. Now he's married to a woman he doesn't really love but he married her anyway as a consolation prize... THis is an episode of Jerry Springer or General Hospital... not BSG!

Which brings me to my worst fear about this show: there is a tendency that seems to infect nearly every sci-fi show. Writing a story isn't hard, especially when you write it just to give the viewers immediate satisfaction.

People liked BSG because it was hardcore. This last show, was faux hardcore. It was the hardcore that people who liked "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" think is hardcore. It's dumbed down. It plays to the lowest common denominator of audiences.

Now, writing to pander to the common audience makes money, but in SCIENCE FICTION when writing to satisfy the most common sci-fi fan it actually alienates the all broader audience. Doesn't make sense? Let me explain further.

You see, the average sci-fi channel watcher, looks at crap like that show they have on "Ghost Hunter" and says to themself "Oooh, that's scary. Ghost's and haunted houses are so spooky," or worse, they've already romanticized themself as being "in touch with the sprit world." What I'm plainly saying here, is that the average sci-fi fan is a loser.

Loser's in sci-fi land want you to spell everything out for them. They don't appreciate subtlety consciously though they probably percieve it peripherally to some degree. If there is an interesting element in the show even something that would otherwise be relatively minor, they want it to be brought to the forefront and derive great satisfaction from open displays that flash like neon lights... because something they can look directly at while it slaps them in the face jumping up and down screaming is what gives them the greatest satisfaction.

"LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!! I'm AN UNKNOWN ELEMENT IN THE SHOW. AREN'T I MYSTERIOUS. EVERYBODY COME LOOK AT MY MYSTERIOUSNESS. I BET IF EVERYONE LOOKS THEY'LL ALL SAY I'M MYSTERIOUS"

"I'M A BADASS SUPERGENIUS ACE PILOT COMMANDO AND GET BETTER AT EVERYTHING EVERY SHOW BECAUSE I HAVE FANS WHO LIKE MY CHARACTER. I'M A WALKING RECORDING OF CLICHED DIALOGUE DESIGNED BY SOMEONE WITH NO IMAGINATION."

Smarter people like character's that are more like normal people with maybe a few serious flaws and perhaps some great shining moments of valor.

What this writer succeeds at doing is writing something with little effort that is mediocre and looks like everything else on TV and what's worse... looks like everything else in the Sci-fi space opera genre that is on TV. The thing that drew people in to this show, was that it departed from all those shows by not just being edgy, but by also having a normal feel to the way the people acted.

It's like a nightmare or a dream that is too real. This last episode was one big over used cliche'd supremely shallow understanding of soldiering, sex and relationships.

I don't want to watch TV for stupid people, if I wanted that I'd watch Deep Space Nine, General Hospital and Ghost Hunter.

Dark Helmet
3rd December 06, 11:32 PM
I would try to go into detail with you point by point but i'm going to sleep now.

I'm going to defend BSG writers here a little.The writer can't always be blamed for putting forth all scenes.Especially when it could be the cast pushing to add or make changes.

I'm not sure wow much weight Olmos carry's with him on the show.He probably ask for his characther to make grand statements at every possible opportunity I guess.

Althoguh Lorne Greene did from time to time as Adama.

That's all I can think now through sleepiness.

Buzman
4th December 06, 11:55 AM
Clean the sand out of your vagina Ketchens.

Dark Helmet
4th December 06, 11:23 PM
It's certainly no way a 'Spocks Brain'.

Traditional Tom
4th December 06, 11:45 PM
This thread ruined BSG for me. I was watching the third season, wasn't terribly impressed or anything but it killed some time and was decently entertaining from time to time. Then someone pointed out that the "occupation" was just some social commentary on present day events and not only did I feel retarded for not immediately making the connection myself, I realized the show kinda' sucks now.

I stopped watching it a couple of episodes ago - after the Tribunal episode. No idea what's going on right now, and frankly I don't really care. Keep updating this thread though, so I'll have a rough idea if/when it redeems itself.

Quikfeet509
7th December 06, 01:22 AM
This thread ruined BSG for me. I was watching the third season, wasn't terribly impressed or anything but it killed some time and was decently entertaining from time to time. Then someone pointed out that the "occupation" was just some social commentary on present day events and not only did I feel retarded for not immediately making the connection myself, I realized the show kinda' sucks now.

I stopped watching it a couple of episodes ago - after the Tribunal episode. No idea what's going on right now, and frankly I don't really care. Keep updating this thread though, so I'll have a rough idea if/when it redeems itself.



Actually the show reminds me of circuit-DJ'ing back when I was a raver. They hit you with a few good episodes, then one that blows your fucking mind. Then they give you a few weaker / lame ones to help regroup.

The next one should kick ass.

Sun Wukong
7th December 06, 05:25 AM
Or... you could just not ever show weak and lame episodes...

I think they're running low on writing talent. I can't believe that the Sci-Fi channel can be that good at keeping or attracting good writers what with the utter intellectual filth that usually airs there.

Dark Helmet
8th December 06, 11:45 PM
Thinking back to the last episode.I must say i would have liked to have seen Starbuck vs Gaeta.

Considering the things Starbuck had said to him in episode Collaborators.Also she wanted him to beg for his life.The writers should have gone in that direction.A Gaeta still wanting so sort of satisfaction.

Shawarma
8th December 06, 11:46 PM
Question for you sci-fi show lovers: What was the first Fly-Around-In-Space-And-Meet-Aliens-And-Shit TV series ever aired? The original series of BSG? Star Trek? Did the Star Wars begin the entire genre or did Star Wars rip off someone else?

Dark Helmet
8th December 06, 11:56 PM
On tv?Whatever was shown on TV in the 50's I suppose had alot of influences with the writers for future sci-fi.Not to mention all the literature that existed.

Sun Wukong
9th December 06, 03:17 AM
Question for you sci-fi show lovers: What was the first Fly-Around-In-Space-And-Meet-Aliens-And-Shit TV series ever aired?

Lost in Space is the earliest TV show about stace travel that I can remember?

Sun Wukong
9th December 06, 03:18 AM
Otherwise, this last episode got a sigh of relief from me. Pretty good all around show.

Quikfeet509
10th December 06, 02:48 AM
Fairly descent. Explored the toaster thing while also killing off one of the good tertiary characters. Well, maybe a secondary character.


Did seem like a weird edit when it skipped to Starbuck questioning Kat, but it still worked out.


Problem now is who is going to bust Starbucks balls now that Kat is gone?


Oh, and the radiation-hair-pulling-thing reminded me of "The Day After", which had a special place in my heart because it was filmed in Kansas.

Dark Helmet
10th December 06, 11:52 PM
They are seriously running out of ships.I counted 3 ships lost so far with an unknown crew aswell.

So now they are at a new planet with whatever it's called.Something of Jupitor.

Could it be possible they've arrived at the original Caprica homeworld?

Sun Wukong
11th December 06, 04:59 AM
I'm just wondering when they're going to stop writing Starbuck as a dumb drama queen bitch and go back to the way she acted during season 1 and 2.

Something weird seemed to happen at the end of season 2 right before they landed on New Caprica with the way they wrote her character and with some of the other sub plots of the show. It just kinda looks like they started moving in a different direction with alot of things.

Quikfeet509
11th December 06, 08:20 PM
They are seriously running out of ships.I counted 3 ships lost so far with an unknown crew aswell.

So now they are at a new planet with whatever it's called.Something of Jupitor.

Could it be possible they've arrived at the original Caprica homeworld?


Just like the old Star Trek, they have a group of red shirts. It's actually a sci-fi requirement.

elipson
17th December 06, 08:21 PM
Well that was an interesting episode.

Like everyone else, I'm sick of the whole starbuck/apollo thing. Who gives a shit anymore.

On an interesting note, that planet was filmed two hours away from me here in BC. And a friend of mine was an extra on the ground of the planet.

Sun Wukong
18th December 06, 05:37 AM
Well, I just think it's a bad sub-plot and they moved in on it way too early... in fact, they kinda moved in on everyone's relationships a little too early.

I'm still getting used to apollo/starbuck being married to other characters, so it's way to early to start with them screwing around with each other.

Stick
18th December 06, 11:14 AM
Damned cliffhangers, I hate damned cliffhanger, damnit!

Quikfeet509
18th December 06, 11:12 PM
My wife was sitting in my study knitting [don't ask] while I watched the last episode. After the first five minutes I said I'm going to skip ahead if they keep this crap up.


She replied she hasn't seen much of the show since the first season and it was already starting to annoy her.


But then it got good. It seems like 10 minutes into the episode they took the original writer out back and shot them in the head, then started a new storyline.

Bravo. Good cliff-hanger.

Poor caprica. Got dissed by Baltar and his pseudo-jesus look.

Sun Wukong
20th December 06, 11:58 AM
Baltar is apparently the cylon's jesus-figure or perhaps he see's himself as jesus for both of them. Whatever the case, his recent changes in wardrobe/appearance are definitely not accidental.

Also, what the hell is going on with their plot devices with everyone's relationships? I mean, Starbuck being a cheating slut comes as no surprise to me, but Apollo too? And what the fuck is going on with the little Bi-sexual love triangle with Lucy Lawless, Caprica-6 and Baltar?

Who is writing this shit? None of it makes really any sense and I have no idea what the fuck is going on. My guess is there is some kind of battle between different writer's, producers and directors for creative control of the show. With the most likely culprit's being writers who have no problem writing crap episodes and just riding everyone else's coat tails in the hopes of being attached to the shows already existing popularity and the media producers who want to cash out and don't really understand the 'formula' of the shows success.

Formula being the operative word as producers often have control over directors and writer's jobs they often have creative influence by way of signing the checks, hiring, firing, setting goals and deadlines which they use to push people to what they feel will make them money. When in reality what they wind up doing is lowering the quality of the project's they are attached to by making sure the show appeals to lowest common denominator of viewers. (Edit: this should read, FUCK YOU STARTREK!)

Quikfeet509
23rd January 07, 06:20 PM
Baltar got Zapped in the end...hahaha. Thought he was the chosen figure and he ends up getting pistol whipped + no vision. Oh, and obviously Starbuck is a toaster?

Hopefully Chris is wrong and they are going to be a little more subtle than that. The writers need to learn a little trick that a girl I dated when I was 18 knew - tease a bit and you can draw out the drama.

What a bitch.


This episode, while redeeming, was somewhat anti-climatic. Unfortunately, the preview for next week looks like shit:


"aw, we love each other but we're married...aw."

Hey writer, fuck off and die.

Quikfeet509
31st January 07, 04:25 PM
Apparently Dai is out of this because the last episode made it look more like Getta is a toaster.


Okay. No more Starbuck and Apollo. Get back to blowing shit up. Thanks.


Baltar's dreamgirl gets props for almost killing his ass to show him he isn't [or is he] a toaster. This episode did make me wonder about the one where Caprica was seeing Baltar as a hallucination. What happened to that plot line?

elipson
1st February 07, 08:57 PM
An interesting question for some thought. Now that they have Baltar, how much longer before they off him?

Are they gonna keep him in the brig for the rest of the series? Public execution? Cylon rescue attempt (wouldn't know why)?

Quikfeet509
2nd February 07, 02:13 AM
They will give him his trial, and with the assistance of his hallucination, he'll end up winning supporters and win his freedom.

DAYoung
2nd February 07, 03:54 AM
Battlestar Galactica smells like processed cheese.

http://www.roxysdaycaresupplies.com/catalog/images/210203-1.jpg

PoleFighter
4th February 07, 03:27 PM
This show is really turning to shit. I am very dissapointed with the third season.

JimmyTheHutt
4th February 07, 03:32 PM
This show is really turning to shit. I am very dissapointed with the third season.

Why? I mean, beyond the melodramatic shit from Apollo/Starbuck, the overarching plot has worked pretty well. The show continues to have one of the best characters ever in the form of Gaius Baltar. He is the main focus of the show.

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

PoleFighter
4th February 07, 03:54 PM
I'm sick of the never ending focus on the clichéd love drama, and I'm also losing patience with the Baltar bullshit. I'm still interested in the overarching plot, I just wish they would get on with it.

Quikfeet509
12th February 07, 03:10 PM
This episode was good because it focused on what some of the real problems of having numerous refugees would cause. Unfortunately, the storyline contradicted my idea that Apollo's wife was a toaster since she got sick and almost died.


This episode allowed them to show off some of their best characters, such as Old Apollo [from the original series] and the old, cigarette-smoking doctor. Plus it continued the plot line with #6's Baltar hallcuination, which I had been wondering about. Good stuff.

kismasher
16th February 07, 02:01 PM
i'm not reading this whole thread. i'd have to say in my professional sci-fi opinion that BG is some of the most boring shit i have ever seen. couldn't even get through season 1

Sun Wukong
18th February 07, 02:42 AM
Good Sci-Fi writing is almost a mythological beast.

DAYoung
18th February 07, 03:09 AM
Am I the only one who's missed this?

JKPr73KGGq4

Stick
18th February 07, 03:19 AM
You're the only one.

Fun though, isn't it.

PS there's tons more of these out there.

DAYoung
18th February 07, 03:21 AM
I like it.

In a NERDALICIOUS kind of way.

elipson
27th February 07, 07:13 PM
OK, despite being a poli sci student, I'm getting sick of all the political BS in this show. I mean once and a while is ok, but get back to blowing shit up already!

I find it hard to believe that ppl in that situation would be squabbling over political crap, when their entire civilization had just been wiped out. Let's have another election! Because that is whats gonna stop us from getting blown up like everyone else!

Liffguard
2nd March 07, 07:56 AM
Just from a continuity perspective, how the fuck did they go from overcrowding in one episode to manual labour shortage two episodes later?

Stick
2nd March 07, 05:50 PM
There not being any space combat in this space opera is starting to make me sad.

Dark Helmet
4th March 07, 11:45 PM
Beloved Starbuck is no more.Which is strange.I read somewhere she's coming back next season.Does this mean she's a Cylon?

elipson
5th March 07, 01:35 AM
Anyone familiar with the classic series?

Me thinks starbuck will be back, and with a child.

DAYoung
5th March 07, 04:41 AM
Battlestar Galactica needs more Picard.

http://imgred.com/http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/stmagazine/picard-queenskull.jpg

Sun Wukong
5th March 07, 05:26 AM
I'm calling it right now. Starbuck is a cylon and this episode supplied alot of proof if you paid attention to the dialogue.



The Leoben figure: You're free now... to become who you really are.
Kara: (smiling) You're not Leoben.
The Leoben figure: Never said I was. I'm here to prepare you to pass through the next door. To discover what hovers in the space between life and death.


I wish we could bet with V-cash on this one.

Sun Wukong
5th March 07, 05:27 AM
Moreso, I'm betting she's one of the final five.

DAYoung
5th March 07, 05:39 AM
I haven't even seen the show and I can tell she's not a Cylon.

Sun Wukong
5th March 07, 03:07 PM
Now you're just baiting me.

Quikfeet509
5th March 07, 03:28 PM
Two things struck me as odd:

1. Apollo apparently saw the toaster ship right before Starbuck exploded. Maybe their ship can withstand the pressure better and she was rescued...or she is a toaster.

2. When Starbuck remembered the last time she talked to her mother, after she walked out the door, her mother put out her cancer stick and the camera focused on the ashtray. There were two types of cigarettes in the ashtray, and since Starbuck didn't smoke in the scene, apparently someone was there before. Maybe Leoben knew all about Starbuck because he had been talking to her mom before she died.

elipson
5th March 07, 07:27 PM
2. When Starbuck remembered the last time she talked to her mother, after she walked out the door, her mother put out her cancer stick and the camera focused on the ashtray. There were two types of cigarettes in the ashtray, and since Starbuck didn't smoke in the scene, apparently someone was there before. Maybe Leoben knew all about Starbuck because he had been talking to her mom before she died.

Weak.


She's not a cylon. Have faith in me. In the original series there were supernatural beings, balls of light, that liked to interfere with stuff. In one episode starbuck was marooned on a planet and had a child with some strange supernatural human chick, and the child returned to Galactica and became that genius kid. (daytime reruns on Space kick ass!).

Starbuck will be back. She'll save the whole fleet someday. I'm calling it.

Stick
5th March 07, 08:19 PM
Leoben is her father.

Or.

Her mother was a cylon.

Shawarma
6th March 07, 12:13 PM
No, she's really Luke's sister. Vader is her father.

DAYoung
6th March 07, 05:25 PM
Starbuck is a Ferengi.

Dark Helmet
6th March 07, 10:12 PM
Possible Cylons are:

Col. Tigh (that would so rock his world)
Col. Tigh's wife
Helo
Starbuck
Last but not least New Character that will be introduced in the following season.

Dark Helmet
6th March 07, 10:13 PM
In other news I heard there's spinoff in the works called 'Caprica'

elipson
7th March 07, 03:36 AM
Col. Tigh's wife
Helo

um, you didn't just suggest these two did you? That's fairly retarded. Why would they make Tigh's wife a cylon, when shes already dead? AND, passed the cylon test that baltar put her through (while its possible he had another lapse of sanity like when he was testing boomer, there are no hints and suggestions that she was a cylon like there was for boomers test).

And Helo? Right, because that makes sense on ANY level. The cylons went through all the effort to get him and athena to have a cylon/human offspring, without overlooking the fact that he was a cylon.

Was he a final five and they just didn't know? If so, then the writers just turned Hera from an extremely interesting and productive plot device, into nothing more than just a cylon child, which is not as interesting or important as a cylon/human hybrid. Making Helo a cylon would be a massive step backwards for the show.

Come on ppl, you can do better than this. Stop making suggestions that develop into plot contradictions. The writers aren't stupid enough to contradict themselves.

And I'm sure the new character is gonna be Bulldog.

mrblackmagic
7th March 07, 06:58 PM
Do to unfortunate circumstances, I have not caught an episode since the secret tribunals. What is this talk of Starbuck being a frakkin cylon?

Dark Helmet
7th March 07, 07:23 PM
um, you didn't just suggest these two did you? That's fairly retarded. Why would they make Tigh's wife a cylon, when shes already dead? AND, passed the cylon test that baltar put her through (while its possible he had another lapse of sanity like when he was testing boomer, there are no hints and suggestions that she was a cylon like there was for boomers test).

And Helo? Right, because that makes sense on ANY level. The cylons went through all the effort to get him and athena to have a cylon/human offspring, without overlooking the fact that he was a cylon.

Was he a final five and they just didn't know? If so, then the writers just turned Hera from an extremely interesting and productive plot device, into nothing more than just a cylon child, which is not as interesting or important as a cylon/human hybrid. Making Helo a cylon would be a massive step backwards for the show.

Come on ppl, you can do better than this. Stop making suggestions that develop into plot contradictions. The writers aren't stupid enough to contradict themselves.

And I'm sure the new character is gonna be Bulldog.You do know that the 7 known cylons don't have a clue who the other 5 are?

elipson
7th March 07, 07:31 PM
You do know that the 7 known cylons don't have a clue who the other 5 are?

Didn't I address that idea? Yes i did.


Was he a final five and they just didn't know? If so, then the writers just turned Hera from an extremely interesting and productive plot device, into nothing more than just a cylon child, which is not as interesting or important as a cylon/human hybrid. Making Helo a cylon would be a massive step backwards for the show.

So the cylon/human hybrid will become just another cylon? Ya, because that's riveting and will make ppl watch more episodes.

Dark Helmet
7th March 07, 08:32 PM
Okay!Okay!You got a point.

A part of me is dreading to find out who the other cylons are and the other part wants to know what happened to Boxey.

Can you blame me really?I chose those names because I know I will have a hard time accepting one of the favorites.

elipson
8th March 07, 02:10 AM
Let's start an emailcampaign to bring back boxey.

DAYoung
8th March 07, 02:24 AM
Let's start an email campaign to end Battlestar Galactica and replace it with Kirk: The Early Years.

JimmyTheHutt
8th March 07, 12:09 PM
Let's start an email campaign to end Battlestar Galactica and replace it with Kirk: The Early Years.

Why do you hate Science Fiction television?

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

DAYoung
8th March 07, 06:01 PM
Because science fiction is lame.

Star Trek isn't science fiction, it's art, which explores the mysteries and dilemmas of the human condition.

JimmyTheHutt
8th March 07, 08:49 PM
Star Trek isn't science fiction, it's art, which explores the mysteries and dilemmas of the human condition.

..by having Kirk bang the green chick.

Well, hell, if it works for porn, it can work for Star Trek...

Veritas et Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Quikfeet509
8th March 07, 08:52 PM
Weak.


I prefer to call it "power of observation". Actually, I quit smoking [again] so when I saw her put out the cigarette, my gaze was fixed on the ashtray...mmmm...so I noticed the two types of fags in there.



She's not a cylon. Have faith in me. In the original series there were supernatural beings, balls of light, that liked to interfere with stuff. In one episode starbuck was marooned on a planet and had a child with some strange supernatural human chick, and the child returned to Galactica and became that genius kid. (daytime reruns on Space kick ass!).

Starbuck will be back. She'll save the whole fleet someday. I'm calling it.

I've been wondering if the hallucinations that Baltar and the cyclon wet dream kept seeing were part of the energy-ball-people, as opposed to being part of the cylon story. But I'm hoping they don't go there. It would be better if Starbuck was suckered again by Leoban and she got captured than if she was a cyclon or dealing with the light people.

elipson
9th March 07, 01:02 AM
Screw star trek, and screw the human condition. I get so sick of star trek always treating humanity like it is some special status that the rest of the universe has never seen before. Like we are the only species that would have compassion or humor, or any of that other bullshit that every other species in the universe seems to lack. Its pretentious and egotistical. If you had to classify humanity with any kind of emotion, I dont think compassionate would be the first thing that came to mind.

BSG is cool because it explores the fact that maybe we aren't all we're cracked up to be. It shows the real human nature; competitive and selfish, loosely held together with moments of sacrifice and cooperation, for a common good, which in reality is only important becuase it is useful to the individuals.

DAYoung
9th March 07, 02:02 AM
Screw star trek, and screw the human condition. I get so sick of star trek always treating humanity like it is some special status that the rest of the universe has never seen before. Like we are the only species that would have compassion or humor, or any of that other bullshit that every other species in the universe seems to lack. Its pretentious and egotistical. If you had to classify humanity with any kind of emotion, I dont think compassionate would be the first thing that came to mind.

BSG is cool because it explores the fact that maybe we aren't all we're cracked up to be. It shows the real human nature; competitive and selfish, loosely held together with moments of sacrifice and cooperation, for a common good, which in reality is only important becuase it is useful to the individuals.

My answer: 'micro-printing'.

Your question: How can I fit an entire volume of Leviathan into my anus?

elipson
9th March 07, 03:02 AM
hahaha I'm almost embarrassed to admit that I understand that joke! When I first read Leviathan I didn't like it, but as I get older, its starting to make more and more sense. Case in point: Hurricane Katrina.

You didn't really address my point though.

DAYoung
9th March 07, 03:21 AM
No, I didn't.

I disagree with your assessment of humanity and Star Trek.

Humanity certainly has a variety of conflicting drives, desires and longings - no doubt about it. But even in the midst of war soldiers display kindness, sympathy and altruism to their enemies. Life is a continual struggle to unite our urges for individual gratification (sometimes base, sometimes high-minded) with our longings for belonging and peace (sometimes petty, sometimes sublime).

At its best, Star Trek doesn't shy away from these struggles. As I've said repeatedly on this forum, Picard is a fine character because he tries to shape a good captain out of humanity's crooked timber. He's fallible, vulnerable, in a word: mortal. But he does his best, and the nobility of the program stems from his successes and failures (and those of the other members of the ensemble). Their 'utopia' isn't granted - it's hard won, and as fragile as any other mortal creation.

elipson
9th March 07, 05:40 AM
Can't fault Picard, the guy rocked. My fav was always Sisko.

My beef with many startrek episodes is that they tend to ignore the negative sides of humanity in favor of the positive. I wrote that post after watching a particularly annoying episode of Enterprise. Every species in the universe seems to be curious about what "Humanity" is, because apparently its something that is unique. Bullshit I say to that. Thinking that the traits that make up "humanity" are unique to us and only us is arrogant as hell. How many species in star trek are well balanced? Most of them seem to represent single aspects of humanity, mostly negative. We seem to be the only species capable of being more than either horribly violent and uncaring, or cold, calculating and uncaring.

One of the best lines was from an original movie where Kirk says to Spock "Everyone is human", to which Spock replied, "I find that offensive".

DAYoung
9th March 07, 06:21 AM
The Spock line is fantastic - I agree.

Sure, there is that tendency in Star Trek - it attempts to reminds us of the best in our species, by portraying it in contrast with the worst in us (as expressed in other species). Sometimes it fails, and descends into cheesy homosapiecentrism.

But at its finest (and I am thinking most of TNG and a great deal of Voyager and DS9), it is much more balanced. Episodes like The Inner Light, Phantasms, Cause and Effect, Second Chances, and others are rich investigations of human struggle.

elipson
9th March 07, 02:02 PM
I think we are in agreement then. Most of the species become more balanced in later episodes, like how the klingons have grown since the early shows into what they were in DS9. I think the only species that was truely balanced from the beginning was the Bajorans.

TNG and DS9 were great. Voyager was pretty good. I just started watching Enterprise on reruns a little while ago, and im not really impressed.

Thread derailment ended.

Kiko
10th March 07, 10:36 AM
Look! A place to send all suggestions, fanmail, etc!

http://craphound.com/images/r2d2mailboxes.jpg

Iscariot
16th March 07, 05:31 AM
OK, boyos and girlies, I'm no back up to speed. I <3 this site: http://www.tv-links.co.uk/

I just put away 16 episodes of BSG in one night. How much do I rule?

Some things I've noticed from my brief skim of the thread:

1. Gaeta is not a Cylon.

2. Whoever remarked on The Day After needs to go watch Threads. The Day after is Buffy The Fucking Vampire Slayer, Threads is BSG.

3. My Me, this series is full of filler episodes. The forward arc planning seems to have gone completely out the window, 18 month jump forward and then a total of three actual events that mattered in that time. Did they fire their continuity editors like DS9 did? Because there's just a load of crap in this series, I could probably trim it down into 10 episode series with editing and cut most of that filler out.

4. Boxey was in the new series, he was so annoying and crap however he got left on the cutting room floor of series one.

5. Deaths. Ellen Tigh - annoying bitch, didn't care, good execution (no pun) of her death, Tigh's subsequent spiral was a bit plot induced though, keeping him out of the way til they'd resolved some other points. Jammer - A red shirt by any other name.... Kat - WTF? Now she always annoyed the shit out of me, because her voice is annoying, but her death seemed like a bad piece of planning "Oh shit! We've filled the series with filler and need to kill her quick. We'll just stick that piece of her past in the same episode as we kill her, no one will notice how fucking sloppy it is...." Yep, noticed. Starbuck - At least they gave her a good out, not out done in a dogfight by a toaster, but doing herself in on her own search for truth. Unfortunately the amount of filler lessened her death due to the crap we had to sit through beforehand, "Previously on Battlestar Galactica...." just doesn't rebuild the atmosphere guys.

6. Did anyone notice how Adama's last command resembled that shot of the Phoenix from the titles of ST:ENT?

7. The Five. This is the only thing that's actually holding my attention to the series, the amount of crap has killed just about any of my interest in the rest of the now mutilated metaplot.

8. If Tigh starts advocating peace and universal communication in the next series, preferably after writing a book then I will start referring to him as Colonel G'Kar and smiling copiously at the knowledge that they've conceded that they've run out of ideas and are now stealing from B5.

9. Cavil knows more then he's letting on to the other six.

10. DAYoung fails. Star Trek has always been protective of the human race. Roddenberry was the very worst, examples including him vetoing a story about a coup led by Starfleet officers on the grounds of humans and Starfleet officer just don't do that sort of thing. He introduced mind controlling alien parasites instead, good save Gene....

DAYoung
16th March 07, 05:40 AM
Isacriot succeeds...

...at misunderstanding the greatest science-fiction series on television.

http://uplink.space.com/attachments/525823-stoopid.jpg

Iscariot
16th March 07, 05:49 AM
Greatest? On what basis? And which part of the franchise do you wish to nominate? Or shall I take it you are nominating Star Trek as a whole?

This should help me avoid work for a good few minutes.

DAYoung
16th March 07, 06:31 AM
Picard.

That is all.

DAYoung
16th March 07, 06:31 AM
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/DAYoung_2006/TNGQueen.gif

Iscariot
16th March 07, 06:41 AM
Picard.

That is all.
I will then assume that you are using the entirety of the Star Trek canon.

My retort is: Enterprise.

A winnar is me.

DAYoung
16th March 07, 06:48 AM
Meh.

Picard redeems Enterprise.

Hell, Picard redeems you, you theory-lite media studies drunkard.

Iscariot
16th March 07, 06:54 AM
Meh.

Picard redeems Enterprise.

Hell, Picard redeems you, you theory-lite media studies drunkard.
Picard fails to redeem Enterprise.

But I am rewatching Sisko outKlingon the Klingons using that link at the top of the page thanks to you bring up Star Trek Captains, I want to remind myself how a real Starfleet Captain acts.

DAYoung
16th March 07, 07:00 AM
I want to remind myself how a real Starfleet Captain acts.

Watch Voyager.

elipson
16th March 07, 01:42 PM
Watch Voyager.
Don't listen to him! Stick with DS9, Sisko is da-bomb.

Great pic btw dayoung. That made me laugh hard.

My only hope for BSG is that now that all the politcal crap is out of the way, next season is gonna be nothing but explosions.

Buzman
16th March 07, 02:32 PM
B5 kicks the crap out of every and all ST series 4-ever.

DAYoung
16th March 07, 03:39 PM
You all have IQs below room temperature.

Iscariot
17th March 07, 12:17 AM
Don't listen to him! Stick with DS9, Sisko is da-bomb.

Great pic btw dayoung. That made me laugh hard.

My only hope for BSG is that now that all the politcal crap is out of the way, next season is gonna be nothing but explosions.
I am aware that Sisko is the greatest ST Captain. DA is in denial.

Though one thing I did notice about Star Trek, whuch had not occured to me due to the massive amounts of B5 and BSG I've been watching, is how dated the space battles look. Not the effects, the believability of the tactics and situations. I watched Sacrifice of Angels (Season 6 where they take back DS9), kick ass battle, Star Trek using all three axis of space for once and some very pretty shots of Galaxys swooping in on targets. However the who concept of two massive fleets of capital ships arrayed in lines with people trying to open holes and exploit them in the opponents lines in Napoleonic at worst and WWI at best. I was sat there watching it and realised that as great as Star Trek's characters are, its tactics are based on WWI naval doctrine, not area superiority air doctrine like the much more believable B5, BSG and to a lesser extent SG-1.


B5 kicks the crap out of every and all ST series 4-ever.
Sensor indicate massive quanitities of The Obvious in this post.


You all have IQs below room temperature.
Yeah, but you live in Australia where room temperature is like 1,000,000 degrees.

bob
17th March 07, 01:12 AM
Though one thing I did notice about Star Trek, whuch had not occured to me due to the massive amounts of B5 and BSG I've been watching, is how dated the space battles look. Not the effects, the believability of the tactics and situations. I watched Sacrifice of Angels (Season 6 where they take back DS9), kick ass battle, Star Trek using all three axis of space for once and some very pretty shots of Galaxys swooping in on targets. However the who concept of two massive fleets of capital ships arrayed in lines with people trying to open holes and exploit them in the opponents lines in Napoleonic at worst and WWI at best. I was sat there watching it and realised that as great as Star Trek's characters are, its tactics are based on WWI naval doctrine, not area superiority air doctrine like the much more believable B5, BSG and to a lesser extent SG-1.



I agree that ST space battles are ridiculously unrealistic. BSG isn't really much better though, it's just a more realistic cinematic style. Maybe WW2 carrier battles vs ST's Napoleonic Men-o-war.

To have a realistic space battle would be dramatic suicide though. For starters, it'd probably be conducted by AI's and over in a fraction of a second, before the ships' crews were even aware of the presence of another ship.

DAYoung
17th March 07, 01:26 AM
Battles are irrelevant.

You will all be assimilated.

BY FOUR OF FIVE.

http://desmoinesregister.com/extras/iowans/art/mulgrew-janeway.jpg

elipson
17th March 07, 02:48 PM
Wellllll I think Picard is a little cooler than Sisko, not much though. He got stabbed, in the heart!

And he got tortured by the cardasians and didn't break. He was Locutus.

DAYoung
17th March 07, 04:47 PM
Elipson is closer to the Neo-Platonic World Soul than Iscariot.

http://scienceblogs.com/ethicsandscience/upload/2006/08/fludd_chain_being2.jpg

Sun Wukong
20th March 07, 04:13 AM
Two things struck me as odd:

2. When Starbuck remembered the last time she talked to her mother, after she walked out the door, her mother put out her cancer stick and the camera focused on the ashtray. There were two types of cigarettes in the ashtray...

Coincidentally, Starbucks mom smokes camel lights and marlboro lights.

Sun Wukong
20th March 07, 04:20 AM
Possible Cylons are:

Col. Tigh (that would so rock his world)
Col. Tigh's wife
Helo
Starbuck

Ok, we're on the same page here, except for helo. I think probably Starbucks widower could be one.

You've at least hit 1 out of those four correctly.

Sun Wukong
20th March 07, 04:25 AM
um, you didn't just suggest these two did you? That's fairly retarded. Why would they make Tigh's wife a cylon, when shes already dead? AND, passed the cylon test that baltar put her through (while its possible he had another lapse of sanity like when he was testing boomer, there are no hints and suggestions that she was a cylon like there was for boomers test).


I agree helo's probably not a cylon, but Tigh's wife was never shown to have passed the test. If you watch that episode again, Baltar said he'd never tell whether she passed the test or not and seemed to take great delight in it.

Sun Wukong
20th March 07, 04:29 AM
Because science fiction is lame.

Star Trek isn't science fiction, it's art, which explores the mysteries and dilemmas of the human condition.

You're very good at this baiting thing. Star Trek is campy crap. It was so terrible it was actually good. The first couple of movies were good, but every TV episode of it i've ever seen was pretty much shit.

DAYoung
20th March 07, 04:32 AM
You're very good at this baiting thing. Star Trek is campy crap. It was so terrible it was actually good. The first couple of movies were good, but every TV episode of it i've ever seen was pretty much shit.

Why Chris, I'm shocked and appalled.

DAYoung
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Sun Wukong
20th March 07, 04:39 AM
I'd definitely say you are a master baiter... oh, a pun so bad, yet I felt drawn to it like a black hole.

DAYoung
20th March 07, 05:26 AM
You have a singularity wit.

Shawarma
20th March 07, 11:36 AM
It sucks?

elipson
20th March 07, 12:21 PM
My newest guess is the black chick that is the presidents aid.

Iscariot
20th March 07, 01:21 PM
Adama and/or Tom Zarek.

Quikfeet509
20th March 07, 07:51 PM
Coincidentally, Starbucks mom smokes camel lights and marlboro lights.


So on top of being a psycho she has commitment issues.



What a bitch.

Iscariot
20th March 07, 08:08 PM
Just watched the latest episode, if they're going to make those three cylons it'll be shit.

And what the fuck is with the dream sequences? For fucks sakes find another way of presenting exposition.

elipson
20th March 07, 08:35 PM
Zarek? why would he be a cylon?

What was with the radio going funny when ppl walk past it? Thats why I think the black chick is a toaster.

Iscariot
20th March 07, 08:45 PM
Zarek? why would he be a cylon?
Three main reasons:
1. Most people still remember him as Apollo so it'd be a good mind fuck
2. He's just been in the background and causing or assisting in most of the major conflict causing events of the series; the prisoner revolt, Roslin's treason, the election, the execution squads etc.
3. It'd probably fuck off Richard Hatch in a big way, which would be the main reason why I'd write it.


What was with the radio going funny when ppl walk past it? Thats why I think the black chick is a toaster.
That (I'm hoping) is them double bluffing. They're probably all sleeper agents, Manchurian Candidate style, washed when they were in Cylon detention on New Caprica. Only people who were there have manifested these symptoms.

Quikfeet509
21st March 07, 05:57 PM
That (I'm hoping) is them double bluffing. They're probably all sleeper agents, Manchurian Candidate style, washed when they were in Cylon detention on New Caprica. Only people who were there have manifested these symptoms.


That's what I was thinking. It would be a cool plot twist ... although it would be a little odd since the Cylon's wouldn't have believed that the breeders could have gotten off New Caprica.

Kiko
21st March 07, 06:12 PM
I'm guessing this belongs here sorta...
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/front/kitt_is_a_cylon.jpg

elipson
21st March 07, 07:06 PM
Zarek is the original Apollo? That's cool.

Dark Helmet
21st March 07, 07:38 PM
Ready to have your worlds rocked?No.Dissapointed?Don't be guys.

Now remember that this was possibly a form cylon hallucination brought on by the character of D'anna wanting very badly to know who the '5' were or are.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4316/413451095662d7a8fe9bws9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
So don't put anything into the picture above because they could have been placed there as a stand ins.

Howver if these are the 5.Then I'm right now 2 out of 5

elipson
25th March 07, 10:07 PM
WHAT
THE
FUCK

OK so far, I've got one point for picking the black chick, Chris Ketchens got one for Starbucks Widower, Canuckyokushin got one for Tigh (lucky guess I say).

We now have two cylon/human babies, with kali and the chief.

I totally called starbuck coming back. But does this mean she is the fifth?

That whole second half of that episode was too fucked up for words, but I liked it! Best episode of the season (not that it was hard).

Aaranar
25th March 07, 10:26 PM
It's a good show and all, but this fucked up scheduling is starting to really piss me off. Half seasons with a five week layoff betwen and now 10+ months till next season? WTF?

Stick
26th March 07, 12:23 AM
I pray that next season they get back to finding earth, some fucking action, cause the last half of this season was shit.

Also, The inclusion of "All Along the Watch Tower" + Starbuck finding and returning from earth + the old satellite that infected the cylons + other shit has me convinced Earth is the "source" that our civilization passed or faded or what have you and went away from Earth to the colonies, is on its way back, the old civ. is us now, being of light

oh fuck it I'm not gonna try and make sense of that.

As soon as Tigh say "said the joker to the thief" I was like "you have to be fucking kidding me" and sure enough, they picked up the song, it has to tie in with earth, with "all this has happened before and all this will happen again", and when the fleet finally reachs earth it will probably be a post apocalpytic, abandoned, or ludicrously advanced planet they find and the "energy beings" from the old BSG are actually humanity from Earth.

I can keep pulling stuff out of my ass for hours here.

But yeah, this was easily the worst season, and frankly they better have a sit down, fire the new producer they brought on- they hired the guy responsible for Enter[rise what the fuck were they thinking- and get back to the god damn quest for earth and stop trying to comment on the world today, just fucking stop it.

/explodes

WarPhalange
26th March 07, 01:02 AM
oh fuck it I'm not gonna try and make sense of that.

That qualifies you to write comic books, science fiction, or become a neo-conservative radio host.

Aaranar
26th March 07, 02:08 AM
Small teaser.

-----------

We won't be seeing Season 4 until January 2008, but I understand there's going to be some kind of miniseries or movie coming before then?

There is something that they're calling "extra episodes" or "extended episodes" -- they keep shifting the nomenclature. Essentially, we are shooting two hours of "Galactica" that will be broadcast on SciFi Channel sometime in the fall. Let's say they broadcast it on a Friday; then, on the following Monday, it will be available on DVD. That story will not pick up our cliffhanger at the end of Season 3. That didn't seem right. The story will be set on the Battleship Pegasus and will take place in the past, relative to where we are in Season 3. But the events set up in that story will then pay off in Season 4.

What was the reasoning behind doing that?

They came to us. It gives Home Video something to sell in the stores. Since we won't be back until January, which is a long time to be off the air, it gives the fans something to see and keeps the show alive. So it serves multiple masters. There was no way we could pick up the cliffhanger in that format, and then ask people to wait to really start the season later. One of the story lines everyone had really liked was the Pegasus story and the character of Admiral Cain, so we decided to go with that.


Source : http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2007/03/24/battlestar/?source=whitelist

Quikfeet509
26th March 07, 07:58 PM
You really think they are part of the final five? This show usually gives the viewer something obvious to put together then later retracts it. That's what they are doing here. The four will think they are toasters, deal with all the drama, then find out they were picked by the beings of light to do something important.

From the ending, it looks like Earth is far away. The show will probably get cancelled before they get there.

Stick
26th March 07, 08:15 PM
You really think they are part of the final five? This show usually gives the viewer something obvious to put together then later retracts it. That's what they are doing here. The four will think they are toasters, deal with all the drama, then find out they were picked by the beings of light to do something important.

Pretty much what I figured, and it fits with the idea that this is ridiculously far in our future, a future where "All along the watchtower" is some sort of genetic memory or ancient poem/song.


From the ending, it looks like Earth is far away. The show will probably get cancelled before they get there.

Not necessarily, we were given no frame of referance for where their journey started. I think they know they've slipped, it took a little while before the got renewed for a 4th and only recently were they informed it would be a full 23 episode season- first they were told it would only be 13. I think this means they intend to get to be able to get to earth by the end of season 4 in case they don't get picked up.

Again, they need to murder the people they've taken on who used to work on Star Trek Enterprise.

Dark Helmet
26th March 07, 08:15 PM
I pray that next season they get back to finding earth, some fucking action, cause the last half of this season was shit.

Also, The inclusion of "All Along the Watch Tower" + Starbuck finding and returning from earth + the old satellite that infected the cylons + other shit has me convinced Earth is the "source" that our civilization passed or faded or what have you and went away from Earth to the colonies, is on its way back, the old civ. is us now, being of light

oh fuck it I'm not gonna try and make sense of that.

As soon as Tigh say "said the joker to the thief" I was like "you have to be fucking kidding me" and sure enough, they picked up the song, it has to tie in with earth, with "all this has happened before and all this will happen again", and when the fleet finally reachs earth it will probably be a post apocalpytic, abandoned, or ludicrously advanced planet they find and the "energy beings" from the old BSG are actually humanity from Earth.

I can keep pulling stuff out of my ass for hours here.

But yeah, this was easily the worst season, and frankly they better have a sit down, fire the new producer they brought on- they hired the guy responsible for Enter[rise what the fuck were they thinking- and get back to the god damn quest for earth and stop trying to comment on the world today, just fucking stop it.

/explodesIt's best to not try. You' re only getting yourself all twisted in knots trying to have low expectations after every episode.Wich is how I wound up dissapointed atter watching the finally of DS9.

Iscariot
26th March 07, 08:35 PM
Just finished watching the last episode. What the fuck?

Because of the last 20 minutes of that episode I may not watch the new series. How fucking awful was that? Hendrix lyrics? Come on! This is supposed to be top notch Sci-Fi!

Iscariot's predictions:
1. Those four aren't Cylons, they're sleeper agents.
2. Kara isn't a Cylon.
3. Lee's going mental, only he saw 'Kara' and it was suspiciously like the raider that she saw before she died.

I had my own theories towards the mid/end of that season to do with time travel and BSG, but this shit they've pulled is....I don't know, there aren't fucking words....

BSG has fallen out of B5/SAAB territory into Voyager range.

Iscariot
26th March 07, 08:37 PM
I really feel the need to drown kittens in bleach and razor blades after watching that.

elipson
26th March 07, 09:05 PM
The idea of the 4 not being cylons is interesting, I was curious about that too. Otherwise they would have to explain why none of them got picked up by Baltars test (although they could explain that away, but they usually give hints for that kind of stuff).

Dark Helmet
28th March 07, 04:29 PM
The idea of the 4 not being cylons is interesting, I was curious about that too. Otherwise they would have to explain why none of them got picked up by Baltars test (although they could explain that away, but they usually give hints for that kind of stuff).
Mmph!Perhaps.But no.They have to be cylons .Just as the others have been.So far all this could suggest is that these 4 are under the control of the cylons.

Iscariot
12th April 07, 02:53 PM
Battlestar Galactica now lasts for one miniseries and two series, minus the season two finale for me.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm

Moore confirms that Tigh, Anders, Tyrol and Tori are definitely Cylons (although he doesn't implicitly state that Kara is one as well) and that Katee Sackhoff is signed for the next season.

Season four has been comissioned for 22 episodes, and given critical and viewer response is likely to be the final season of BSG. It's such a fucking shame because until the last 10 minutes of the season two finale it was doing so well.

Sun Wukong
17th April 07, 06:33 PM
Well, if this is true then I'd like to know what happened in the production team to cause it to disintegrate like it has. I'm betting they lost their good writers because Sci-Fi channel is run by brainless zombified money grabbers who don't have much understanding of what it takes to maintain a good story. It was a fluke that BSG was ever good, and I don't forsee Sci-Fi having another hit show with broad audience appeal for a very long time.

Sun Wukong
17th April 07, 06:41 PM
Again, they need to murder the people they've taken on who used to work on Star Trek Enterprise.


Quoted for TRUTH. Let none survive.

Iscariot
16th May 07, 07:25 PM
Right I've just been viewing clips and reading the BSG Wiki and there's some things that need to be sorted.

Right, what we know is:

Kara has been painting an image that is 4,000 years old since her childhood. An image that has only recently been rediscovered.
Roslin has been sharing visions with two different Cylon models.
Projection is known to be a Cylon ability, so far we've seen Roslin, Adama, Baltar and Kara use it (and to a lesser extent Apollo).
The revealed members of the four new Cylons (Tigh et al) were all on New Caprica.
The Cylons first rebelled within living memory.
Leoben has yet to lie.
The Hybrid has significant insight.
The 13th Tribe has prophetic insight as seen in the works of Pythia.
The 13th Tribe has an uncanny similarity in their lore to that of the Final Five.The show makes it out that the Final Five are Kara, Anders, Tigh, Tory and Tyrol. This leaves a major problem with a show that is Science Fiction in nature, Roslin's prophetic visions that seem to mirror the abilities of the 13th Tribe.

Prophecy in Sci-Fi, unless countered with significant moral relativism (see Dune) is a big problem and never works as pure prophecy. There must be an explanation....eventually (see Babylon 5 War Without End Parts I and II, the Valen predestination). It is likely (if they want any sort of credibilty) that BSG will do something similar. Therefore the next logical step is the deduction that the 13th Tribe and the Final Five are in fact the same (see the number of priests in the 13th Tribe).

With this knowledge we need to work out who the Final Five, and more tangentally, The Lords of Kobol are.

This opens up two possibilties in my mind, either our heroes (all of them, the entire fleet, and possibly some humanoid Cylons) end up founding Kobol, their knowledge and technology allowing them to appear as Gods, the Lords of Kobol which would make the 13th Tribe a long term sleeper race of humanoid Cylons, or at least led by them. The other possibilty is that limited numbers of our characters can go back, in line with the Valen predestination and this would make them the leaders of the 13th Tribe, the five priests and ultimately the Final Five. It is the latter that I believe to be most likely.

Through technology their lives can be extended until ultimately they, the Final Five could be over 4,000 years old or again more likely that each time the loop plays out a fresher blank sleeper group is sent out. This would mean that Earth is the start and end point of the cycle, as Babylon 4 was for Valen, when the Five reach Earth, they will be able to make the temporal leap and begin the loop anew. This would end the prophetic ability as they would no longer know the further future (see Valen's prophecies regarding the breaking of the Grey Council, but the lack of prophecy surrounding the civil war that started after Valen left).

This leaves the identities of the true Final Five to be deciphered, I have three, possibly four candidates. Roslin, based on prophetic knowledge and shared visions with humanoid Cylons. Adama, based on use of projection and repeated prescence at important events (Cylon border raid, being commander of one of the few remaining Battlestars). Kara, based on prophetic abilities. The possibilty is Baltar on the basis of his continued use of projection. However I believe that Baltar is human, and at the same time the Cylon God. We know that contrary to popular opinion that Baltar's abilities lie more in the biological sciences than the mathematical ones (see him bringing in Number Six to complete his defence computer code) and that these reimagined Cylons are based more on biological genetics technology than cybernetics and robotics. Also the Hybrid, with the significant insight she seems to have reached out and touched Baltar, the other Cylons strictly never touch the Hybrid, but the Hybrid actively reached for Baltar - reaching out to touch God?

Therefore Iscariot's predictions:
Three of the Final Five:

Adama - which makes Lee a Human Cylon hybrid
Roslin
KaraThe Cylon God:

BaltarWhat do we think? Regardless I think my version is more interesting. It might be a bit unclear, as I was typing as I thought, let me know which bits you don't follow and I'll try and round them out.

Can you tell I'm avoiding work? I've probably written more there than for the unfinished essay that's due tomorrow....

Sun Wukong
16th May 07, 09:46 PM
One thing that's certain is that Baltar is a Christ figure.

elipson
17th May 07, 12:10 AM
One thing that's certain is that Baltar is a Christ figure.
Which just goes to prove how stupid religious people are.

Sun Wukong
17th May 07, 02:59 AM
There's alot of unanswered questions about the series.

1. When are the writer's finally gonna realize that the Starbuck/apollo love triangle was just a bad idea. They'd have to kill at least one of their spouses for it to work.

2. Whose fucking idea was it to play a Jimi Hendrix cover-song that the characters actually fucking sang along with? What the FUCK is that? Cylons are hendrix fans? Is there Cylon LSD floating around in space or are they just always tripping via out of body experiences?

If so, I thinks that's a major tell that something has gone way wrong with your military robotics program... Scientists listening to Space Hendrix look at each other across a room thick with smoke and black lights, "Hey... I've got a great idea... Let's make robots that are super strong, heavily armed, heavily armored and put them on a perpetual Acid Trip. That would be like, something off an album cover. "

At which point the stoner Robotics engineers high five each other, drink half a gallon of shroom tea and spend the rest of the night trying to pen an AI algorithm that mimics the effects of hallucinagenics.

3. What the fuck are they doing with the Other Athena?

4. Are the new cylons encountered in space good guys... sorta?