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Phrost
18th September 06, 10:04 AM
Sorry, after coming back this morning and seeing Cialis spam and a one sentence question about Martial Arts on the front page, we had to put this into effect for the time being.

Iscariot
18th September 06, 10:45 AM
Does this mean we can't do reviews?

Phrost
18th September 06, 12:11 PM
Well we're trying to sort out how to handle things with this. One option is to create a "staging ground" forum for people to post things in if they don't have the permissions to post them to regular forums. Staff can then move them to the appropriate category.

Stick
18th September 06, 02:11 PM
Staging ground or a more private submission system a'la fark would seem to be the way to go. 1,000 is a pretty high number though.

With either the staging ground or submission system, moderators could be given the ability to clear certain posters to post new topics- say someone who has put 5 or so good topics in the staging ground- into the appropriate forum sans oversight. Or would that be too much of a technical stretch?

Phrost
18th September 06, 02:21 PM
It'll all be done by usergroups by this plan, so once you get 1000 posts, you get moved into the correct group. You can be manually added as well.

But I'm also looking at figuring out a way for the system to tell which group you're in, and send or not send your thread to the front page accordingly.

WarPhalange
18th September 06, 03:56 PM
1000 is a real big number. This place isn't as busy as BS, you know.

Osiris
18th September 06, 03:57 PM
Thats kinda shitty. Bad idea.

Kiko
18th September 06, 04:15 PM
Bah! 1000 is CHILD'S play!

Of course it was on CTC when folks like Yarha were around... *sigh*

Phrost
18th September 06, 04:20 PM
We have to do something to curb the Celebrex spam and crap going up on the front page though. If I can get it to parse news by usergroup, that'll be much more efficient.

Otherwise, anyone with less than 1k posts can put something in the Staging ground or CTC for now and we'll move it accordingly. Just until this all gets sorted out.

Kiko
18th September 06, 04:22 PM
Put new users on a waiting period? Most of 'em pick dumb names.

Phrost
18th September 06, 04:23 PM
This is just a temporary situation until we figure out a better way of doing things.

Kiko
18th September 06, 04:24 PM
A folder full of vicious dogs to rip their posts to bits?
Oh, wait, that's what the whole place is... ;)

Phrost
18th September 06, 05:01 PM
Since 1998!

ICY
18th September 06, 05:04 PM
So...if you can manually add people, just do that once they've proven they aren't douchebags...easy enough. Otherwise, they have 1000 posts to figure out how not to be a douchebag.

Osiris
18th September 06, 05:24 PM
Whos gonna read their posts and do that? Most of the shit on here goes in one ear and out the other.

Phrost
18th September 06, 05:56 PM
Open to suggestions here.

DAYoung
18th September 06, 06:03 PM
It could be Admin/Mod discretion.

For example:

Idiot: 'Hey Phrost, can I have front page rights?'
Phrost: 'No.'

You can ask, and get 'yes' or 'no', otherwise you have to hit 1000 first.

Is this a dumb idea? I know nothing about this stuff.

Dark Helmet
18th September 06, 06:08 PM
Where does it show post-count on Sociocide?

Iscariot
18th September 06, 06:35 PM
Is it not possible to have an Admin discretion system to what appears on the front page, a la Bullshido without the seperate forum?

Failing that the user group system sounds best. I myself if memory serves have only started one topic total on both here on Sociocide and Bullshido combined, and even that was a requested thread. Hope it didn't suck greatly........

WarPhalange
18th September 06, 06:51 PM
Just make it 10 posts. Spammers don't usually stick around, and you can spot them in a second.

Kiko
18th September 06, 06:54 PM
Bah, 100 at very least!

ICY
18th September 06, 07:42 PM
Whos gonna read their posts and do that? Most of the shit on here goes in one ear and out the other

I'll do it if you're too lazy, but then I'd have to be a mod. I mean, they can request permission at mod discretion as soon as they can send a PM...or is reading PMs too much to handle?

WarPhalange
18th September 06, 08:08 PM
Wouldn't having a mod solve all of these problems, anyway, as they can delete or move shitty threads?

ThaiBoxerShorts
18th September 06, 08:10 PM
Or how about if a mod simply hand-picks the occasional quality thread for the front page? It wouldn't even have to be very many. Four or five per day would be sufficient.

Nate1481
18th September 06, 08:38 PM
If you wnat to do it by posts think 1000 is bit high.
Possibly have a time limit, say 4 weeks, with mimum number of posts, quite low 20-50 ish to weed out the trolls, most won't stay that long or will have made it obvious who they are and can be moved onto a permiant don't add list.

Or it could be linked to rep but that opens a nice big can of worms...

Phrost
18th September 06, 08:38 PM
Ok, to clarify a few things.

The spirit of the site is to be a "communiblog" or in other words, a blog that's not run for or by one particular editorial point of view or ideology. So in order to make sure that happens, we need to minimize the level of editorial involvement in the process, moderating only to ensure that travesties of grammar, spelling, and coherency don't shit things up.

Until the community "gets" this aspect of the site, we need to help ease people into it.

Stick
18th September 06, 08:38 PM
I'll read their shit!

Also, having mods hand pick everything that goes to the front page would just be a waste of time, I like the idea and speed of having topics just pop up- if something's there that shouldn't be, we kill it and the man who wrote it.

1000 is an awefully high number, spammers are not likely to make 100 posts just so they can get their ads on the front page.

Osiris
18th September 06, 11:27 PM
Couldn't we do this the OPPOSITE way? Users with a bunch of posts can post in the front page section. Everyone else posts i the normal section.

Steve
19th September 06, 12:14 AM
How about if 5 (or what ever number seems good to everyone) people with 1,000 or more posts rate the thread higher than crap (by using the rating system that's already in place) it gets moved by a mod to the appropriate section. This could be the system until the OP reached their 1,000th post.

This will mean that the thread at least sparked the interest of a few people that have been around the block for a while and will also lend a bit of authority to those who have stuck it out to their 1,000th post.

I would guess that a mod would have access to who rated what thread what and wouldn't be to difficult to follow. Also, since the mods run this site in order to talk about stuff that is interesting/relevant to the times, it would help us lowly posters feel like we are helping (or at least trying) to make the site better as well.

I have no idea how to run a site like this, but that's my random idea thrown out there for y'all.

Edit: Well, I've seen threads here that are rated, but I guess the rate button for Sociocide isn't working quite yet.

WarPhalange
19th September 06, 01:19 AM
Why do you people put so much significance on the number of posts? I have 10k posts on BS, and maybe 3 of them were worth anything.

Steve
19th September 06, 01:34 AM
Why do you people put so much significance on the number of posts? I have 10k posts on BS, and maybe 3 of them were worth anything.

This is why the Mods would have the final say.

ICY
19th September 06, 03:25 AM
Couldn't we do this the OPPOSITE way? Users with a bunch of posts can post in the front page section. Everyone else posts i the normal section.

That's the way it is right now.

What I suggest is that if people want to be able to post in the front page section before 1000 posts, they need to request a mod add them to the good list, and that's up to the mod's discretion. Otherwise, the status quo rules.

SFE, you're making it too complicated, and Villain, you're implying complication in my idea that isn't there.

Osiris
19th September 06, 04:54 AM
No ICY, thats NOT how it is now. As it is now, the whole site is the front page. I figure we can make one forum the front page and give people access to that, as opposed to restricting most threads to crappy sections.'

As far as your idea goes, I don't even know what your idea is. What are you talking about?

Kiko
19th September 06, 06:42 AM
I rarely look at the front page. I go straight for 'new posts'. Do whatever makes sense.

ICY
19th September 06, 07:20 AM
No ICY, thats NOT how it is now. As it is now, the whole site is the front page. I figure we can make one forum the front page and give people access to that, as opposed to restricting most threads to crappy sections.'

You're right, I misunderstood what you were saying.


As far as your idea goes, I don't even know what your idea is. What are you talking about?

I don't really have one, things are fine the way they are, IMO. CTC is not a crappy forum, and any non-front page material can go there. Also, you're either up really fucking late or really fucking early.

Osiris
19th September 06, 11:11 AM
Its a crappy forum because it has no topic, which doesn't encourage quality. Plus, as is, much of the site is inadvertantly posting crap on the front page. Why wont they post in the unorganized "my thread is crap" sections? Hmm...

ICY
19th September 06, 11:18 AM
I love it, you can post whatever you want. It's the best thing going here. It could and should be like Joe Rogan's forum. That's what CTC should be modelled on, IMO.

Phrost
19th September 06, 11:19 AM
The idea is that the front page is generated by the discussions in an organic, natural manner.

The trick, is to ensure the front page is populated with quality discussions with only a minimal amount of moderator involvement. That's what we're shooting for.

Being the Internet, we need to have some protections in place to keep people from shitting up the front page while meeting the above criteria. What those protections are, I don't know at this point.

Phrost
19th September 06, 11:20 AM
I love it, you can post whatever you want. It's the best thing going here. It could and should be like Joe Rogan's forum. That's what CTC should be modelled on, IMO.

Yeah, that's the point of that particular forum. But we probably shouldn't have people posting NSFW crap in there.

ICY
19th September 06, 11:39 AM
That defeats the purpose, IMO, but on the other hand, there's the whole have to be 18 thing, which isn't a requirement for forum membership, right? That fucks it. Is it OK if you specifically say in the thread title "NSFW"?

Osiris
19th September 06, 11:44 AM
Yeh. You can't go "OMG THIS IS AN UNMODERATED [email protected]@11!1" and then have a shitload of rules.

Stick
19th September 06, 11:54 AM
I think if NSFW is put in the thread title- as a courtesy to those of us goofing off at work- it's fine.

Phrost
19th September 06, 12:15 PM
I have to check on a shitload of sources to see what we can/can't do.

Also, if you're going to start a news thread, don't just post a link to the story... copy/paste the story itself.

Stick
19th September 06, 12:18 PM
Aw, but I'm commenting and stuff.

ICY
19th September 06, 12:46 PM
So...we already have at least the hottie thread that's NSFW...so are other NSFW threads OK?

Phrost
20th September 06, 02:19 PM
That thread's due to get edited down to only SFW images.

What we need to define is NSFW. Considering the internet is chock full of porn, I don't think we need any posted here.

DAYoung
20th September 06, 03:06 PM
That thread's due to get edited down to only SFW images.

What we need to define is NSFW. Considering the internet is chock full of porn, I don't think we need any posted here.

Are paintings like this NSFW?

http://www.oceansbridge.com/paintings/artists/special/big/George_hare_The_Victory_of_Faith_color.jpg

Phrost
20th September 06, 04:02 PM
Art is art, porn is porn. There are some pretty concrete definitions for each.

DAYoung
20th September 06, 04:07 PM
Art is art, porn is porn. There are some pretty concrete definitions for each.

It's not always so simple, but I take your point.

http://www.dmoma.org/lobby/exhibitions/blockheads/images/origin_of_the_world.jpeg

You have to remember, from over here it seems like you Yanks are a bunch of violent prudes - death and destruction are fine, but a nipple is the end of the world as we know it.

Thanks for the clarification.

Phrost
20th September 06, 04:14 PM
I have absolutely no issues with porn whatsoever so restricting it from being posted here, for us, is a content decision and not a moral/ethical one. We don't need porn here any more than we need discussion on guano farming. It's just not relevant to our purpose.

DAYoung
20th September 06, 06:08 PM
I have absolutely no issues with porn whatsoever so restricting it from being posted here, for us, is a content decision and not a moral/ethical one. We don't need porn here any more than we need discussion on guano farming. It's just not relevant to our purpose.

Fair enough.

Which reminds me, bad guano is a completely organic fertilizer, it is for universal use and can be applied in all kinds of cultivation, especially organic and under glass, since it is odourless. The high concentration of organic matter and nutrients means that it can be used in lower doses than other organic fertilizers, with guaranteed savings.

Our bat guano has been processed to create a powder with particles of less than 3 millimetres across and is odourless. This biological product contains live microbial flora which, when incorporated in the soil, acts on the organic matter to make nutrients available to the plants, including NPK, calcium and magnesium and all trace elements.

Kiko
20th September 06, 06:42 PM
Posting about bat guano farming is a good way to pad one's post count for front page posting privileges, too! ;)

WarPhalange
20th September 06, 08:54 PM
Ace Ventura 2 was a good movie, although I like the 1st one better now that I actually get all the jokes (I watched it when I was like 10 or so the first time).

Steve
20th September 06, 09:12 PM
Ace Ventura 2 was a good movie, although I like the 1st one better now that I actually get all the jokes (I watched it when I was like 10 or so the first time).

Ace Ventura 2 sucked.

Compared to the original, it really sucked.

See? (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/search/movie.php?search=ace+ventura+2&searchby=movies)

Neildo
20th September 06, 09:32 PM
AV2 had it's moments. Like, the projector scene, the vegetables-on-face-making-fun-of-pompous-rich-guy scene, and: "nobody wants to play with me!"

That's about it.