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DAYoung
17th August 06, 05:02 PM
According to the recent obituary of a well-known Australian winemaker, Australians "enjoy the highest per capita consumption of wine of any English-sparking country — 27 litres a head." Certainly, things have progressed rather rapidly in Australia, and other English-speaking nations. Whereas it was once 'beer for the menfolk, and and shandy for the ladyfolk', many Australians now enjoy and appreciate good wine.

I'm currently drinking three ordinary wines: a Red Diamond Golden Grape 2004, a Piromit Durif 2003, and an Organic One 2004 Cabernet Sauvugnon Merlot. I have nothing terribly much to say about them.

However, I recently enjoyed the Sir Paz 2003 Shiraz, which was smooth, full, peppery and full of ripe berries and chocolate. They also make a brilliant Cabernet Sauvignon.

I can also recommend the Antinori Chianti Classico, for those who like the Italisn stable - Antinori is big, but they still make a robust sangiovese.

So, who's drinking what? Beer? Wine? Spirits?

Shawarma
17th August 06, 06:01 PM
I am now hugely disappointed in Australia - whatever happened to the beer-swilling, crocodile-killing people I've come to know and love from the silver screen?

kungfujew
17th August 06, 06:04 PM
I had his liver with some fava beans and a nice cianti.
*FSFSFSFSFSFSFSFSSS*
http://www.tve.co.il/images/full_27082004_lecter.jpg

DAYoung
17th August 06, 06:18 PM
You both suck. I want proper replies, not the kind of derailment I routinely invove myself in.

kungfujew
17th August 06, 06:20 PM
I'm at work. I have a 1/8 full glass of tepid water, and a 1/2 full mug of now also tepid cocoa. Yum.

Steve
17th August 06, 06:30 PM
Well, as you know DAYoung, I'm not much of a wine drinker (yet, I'm still saving that Sir Paz for a special occasion).

Now beer, that is a different story all together. Being in the PNW gives me access to a huge selection of Micro brews and some larger local breweries that have gone national.

Two that I like from Pyramid Breweries:

http://www.pyramidbrew.com/images/bottles_2005/ipa.jpg


Original Gravity: 1.069
Alcohol By Volume: 6.70%
Malts: 2-Row Barley, Munich, Caramel, Carapils
Hops: Tomahawk
Availability: Year Round
Best Paired With: Fish, BBQ and all things hot n' spicy

^^Much better than their old IPA. Very refreshing, good for the summer time.

http://www.pyramidbrew.com/images/bottles_2005/snow_cap.jpg


Original Gravity: 1.071
Alcohol By Volume: 7.00%
Malts: 2-Row Barley, Caramel, Chocolate Malt
Hops: Willamette, East Kent Goldings
Availability: Mid October - January
Best Paired With: Shellfish, rich game and even rich chocolatey desserts

Silver Medal, World Beer Championships, "Strong Ale", 1998

A fantastic beer that unfortunately only comes out in the winter time. Takes some time to get used too. Many people don't like this beer at first... Most times they soon change their minds.

But since I'm poor this month I'll be drinking this for a while....

http://www.homegrocer.com/images/products/mgd%206%20pk%20copy.jpg

Zendetta
17th August 06, 07:25 PM
last notable wine I had was a Coppola Cabernet Sauvignon 2003. Luscious.

Anything red with a cork is fair game to me. Better still if it retialis for < $10.

Pinot-ness is next to Godliness (screw you - I was drinking it before Sideways, Hater!)


Out here we have some INCREDIBLE microbreweries too. Pyramid Brewery is near. Sudwerks is fucking awesome, as is PacificCoast Brewery. THier IPAS are outta-this-world.

Zendetta
17th August 06, 07:28 PM
Favorite CHeapo Italian Table Wine: Bolla Volpicella (sp?). mmmm mmmm.

Kiko
17th August 06, 07:42 PM
Most recently:
Santa Margherita or San Giuseppe Pinot Grigio
Smoking Loon Merlot

3 Macedonian wines Terra is the name of one
Pinot Noir, Chardonnay and Merlot I think have lovely flower labels
I may need to go pick ‘em up again to check…

Beers
Belhaven Scottish ale
Brooklyn Brown Ale
Newcastle Nutbrown ale

When the weather gets cold, it's time for scotch

Slydermv
18th August 06, 10:51 AM
Wine - A fan a J Lohr cabernet currently

Beer - Molson Canadian.... classy, I know.. and Red Stripe. Beer is beer for me...

Spirits... enjoying the summer gin and tonics... tang 10 when I have the choice...

frumpleswift
18th August 06, 11:32 AM
I must admit that when it comes to wines I have very cheap tastes. I like:

Schmitt-Sohne Riesling
Purple Moon Shiraz
Yellow Tail Shiraz
and I'll even drink 2-buck chuck if I need to.

My beer tastes are a bit more refined:

Guiness
Stockyard Oatmeal Stout
Chimery Ale
http://www.chimay.be/img_clipart/img_biere_intro.gif

and the greatest beer ever brewed:

Aventinus Dopplebock

http://www.schneider-weisse.de/img/brauerei.spezialitaeten.aventinus.produkt.01.jpg

a heavenly tasting dark beer with a hint of clove and other spices.

As far as Spirits go I prefer

Glenlivet (the older the better)
and other scotches of at least 18yrs (yum scotch)*

or any potato vodka

*The first time I ever had scotch was my freshman year in college. My friend had stolen from her mom a bottle of 40yr old scotch. It was a little piece of the hereafter. Liquid ambrosia. I couldn't drink scotch for almost four years, because everything else tasted like crap.

mrblackmagic
18th August 06, 01:49 PM
I have Jack Daniels gently nestled in my arms as we speak.

kungfujew
18th August 06, 01:51 PM
I must admit that when it comes to wines I have very cheap tastes. I like:

Schmitt-Sohne Riesling
Purple Moon Shiraz
Yellow Tail Shiraz
and I'll even drink 2-buck chuck if I need to.

My beer tastes are a bit more refined:

Guiness
Stockyard Oatmeal Stout
Chimery Ale
http://www.chimay.be/img_clipart/img_biere_intro.gif

and the greatest beer ever brewed:

Aventinus Dopplebock

http://www.schneider-weisse.de/img/brauerei.spezialitaeten.aventinus.produkt.01.jpg

a heavenly tasting dark beer with a hint of clove and other spices.

As far as Spirits go I prefer

Glenlivet (the older the better)
and other scotches of at least 18yrs (yum scotch)*

or any potato vodka

*The first time I ever had scotch was my freshman year in college. My friend had stolen from her mom a bottle of 40yr old scotch. It was a little piece of the hereafter. Liquid ambrosia. I couldn't drink scotch for almost four years, because everything else tasted like crap.

I take it Dopplebock isn't something you can pick up at your local U-Save Liquor?

frumpleswift
18th August 06, 01:54 PM
I take it Dopplebock isn't something you can pick up at your local U-Save Liquor?

Dopplebock you can find (try Trader Joe's out in your neck of the woods). The Aventinus brand I have seen in two places. A restaurant in old town Alexandria (http://www.bilbobaggins.net/) and the Whole Foods in old town.

I've also had some luck home-brewing dopplebock and stout.

kungfujew
18th August 06, 01:56 PM
Dopplebock you can find (try Trader Joe's out in your neck of the woods). The Aventinus brand I have seen in two places. A restaurant in old town Alexandria (http://www.bilbobaggins.net/) and the Whole Foods in old town.

I've also had some luck home-brewing dopplebock and stout.

Home-brewing? Hot damn, you are from Virginia!

But yeah, I'll stop by TJ's/Whole Foods (4 minutes from my house).

frumpleswift
18th August 06, 02:05 PM
Home-brewing? Hot damn, you are from Virginia!

But yeah, I'll stop by TJ's/Whole Foods (4 minutes from my house).

If I was a true Virginian I'd have a still set up in my basement. Hey, that's not a bad idea.

My new best friend:

http://homedistiller.org/image/malpensa_still.jpg

Kiko
18th August 06, 02:25 PM
Don't most larger distributors carry special beers? Yes, I KNOW things vary from state to state. NY is one of the stranger ones as far as what sort of place sells, beer, wine or spirits on what day. Ironic, really.

Oh, and I forgot the gin. Tonic is a must for summer.. WITH lime. Bombay is nice.. Sapphire if possible.

frumpleswift
18th August 06, 02:41 PM
I forgot the best hard alcohol ever:

http://www.banneke.de/images/big/53614.jpg

Ratzeputz. A german schnapps made from ginger that I have never been able to find in the U.S.

The name literally means "rat cleaner." The pictured bottle is 116 proof.

edit:

now that wiki is back up:

"Ratzeputz ist ein Schnaps, der Auszüge und Destillate aus Kräutern und Wurzeln enthält. Der ebenfalls enthaltene Ingwer soll sich wohltuend auf den Magen auswirken.

Der heutige (2006) "Ratzeputz" enthält nur noch 58 % Alkohol, früher waren höhere Alkoholgehalte üblich. Die von manchen Konsumenten als scharf empfundenen Ingredienzien sorgen für einen lange anhaltenden Geschmack in Mund und Rachen."

Neildo
18th August 06, 03:18 PM
What I am drinking right now: Hot Chocolate. yes it's summer-time. Fuck off.

Phrost
18th August 06, 03:28 PM
http://www.exquisine.de/net/wein/images/cognac.jpg+http://images.tomshardware.com/2005/08/27/overclocking_yourself/red-bull.jpg

saipher
18th August 06, 03:57 PM
In terms of drinking preferences:

Good beer: Guinness, Newcastle, Sweetwater, Sam Adams (esp Doublebock)
Cheap beer: Rolling rock, Miller High Life
Liquor: Jack Daniels, Maker's Mark

Steve
18th August 06, 05:38 PM
(snip)
Chimery Ale
http://www.chimay.be/img_clipart/img_biere_intro.gif

Ah, Chimay! The first beer that I ever drank legally. It was the day after my birthday in cozy restaurant in Port Townsend....


and the greatest beer ever brewed:

Aventinus Dopplebock

[IMG]http://www.schneider-weisse.de/img/brauerei.spezialitaeten.aventinus.produkt.01.jpg[/IMG

a heavenly tasting dark beer with a hint of clove and other spices.

This is one that we have here:

http://www.bavariangrill.com/images/newsletters/paulsalv_m.jpg

Very good and thank you for reminding me about it! More info here (http://www.epinions.com/fddk-Beers-By_Name-All-Paulaner_Brauerei_Salvator_Doppelbock/display_~reviews).


As far as Spirits go I prefer(snip)

or any potato vodka


+ rep.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/9/95/180px-Chopamerd.jpg

Potato vodka is so good, the above is one of my favorites.

http://www.theeel.com/vodka/image/luksusowa.jpg

^^Very good and very cheap!!

EDIT: Oh, when I'm feeling very rich I sometimes indulge in this:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/forstevee/absinthe-staroplzenecky.jpg

Costs about $100 (including shipping) to get a bottle over here from Europe but worth it.

Info here (http://www.originalabsinthe.com/).

Neildo
18th August 06, 05:49 PM
You could just come up here for a bottle of Absynthe. I think it's only about $40 CAD.

Oh, my bad. I just did a search.

http://www.bcliquorstores.com/en/products/587204 $81.15/700ml (origin: CZ)

http://www.bcliquorstores.com/en/products/611152 $53.20/500ml (origin: CZ)

http://www.bcliquorstores.com/en/products/568576 $64.39/750ml (origin: FR)

Steve
18th August 06, 05:59 PM
You could just come up here for a bottle of Absynthe. I think it's only about $40 CAD.

Yeah, but Hills is pretty shitty compared to the real deal...


Quebec, Ontario, and BC liquor boards now stock absinthe. BC currently only stocks Hill's Absinth (yes, no 'e', with a thujone concentration of 1.5ppm), but is considering other brands.


The one I get:


Staroplzenecky Absinthe

A strong alcoholic liquor made with herbal extracts, the main herb being wormwood. An emerald green absinthe with a distinctive taste. Staroplzenecky absinthe is manufactured in the Czech Republic according to the original French absinthe recipe with 70% alc. vol. and a production method that has been improved in excess of today's required standards. Absinthe Staroplzenecky contains 9 mg/kg of thujone.

Alcohol by volume: 70%
Bottle size: 50cl
Thujone: 9 mg/kg

I appreciate the thought tho.

Neildo
18th August 06, 06:07 PM
How do calculate ppm?

1.5ppm compared to 9mg per Kg.....waitaminute, who measures liquds in Kg?

Trying to do this math broke my brain.

Steve
18th August 06, 06:18 PM
How do calculate ppm?

1.5ppm compared to 9mg per Kg.....waitaminute, who measures liquds in Kg?

Trying to do this math broke my brain.

Ah, I got it!


Absinthe Hill's

Hills commercial recipe absinthe is prepared from selected herbs, the main herb being wormwood (Artemisia absinthium). An emerald green absinthe drink with a distinctive bitter taste. Manufactured in the Czech Republic by Hills family since 1920. Hills Absinthe is perhaps the best known of the Czech brands. It has a pleasant enough taste, especially when poured over sugar or mixed with caramel, and at 70% ABV is quite strong, which means that adding water is pretty much essential. Czech absinthe with the original Czech label. Hills absinthe contains max 1.5 mg/kg of thujone.

Alcohol by volume: 70%
Bottle size: 70cl
Thujone: 1.5 mg/kg

Neildo
18th August 06, 06:23 PM
So it's 1.5ppm < 9.0 ppm?

That's a lot of a substance I have yet to consume. I should get started.

edit: Cheater. You got that right from the website, while i'm breaking my brain trying to do this math thing. Damnit.

Halfrican
18th August 06, 06:33 PM
Formerly a hater mass-produced beers, this is my new love.

http://www.nautiboats.com/images/SelectBottle2.jpg

DAYoung
18th August 06, 07:24 PM
Looking over this thread, I realise I really have to broaden my beer palate.

I've got a Peroni in the fridge, and that's just because of laziness.

By the way, hearty recommendation for the Coldstream Hills Shiraz Limited Release - I was given a bottle for my birthday, and it's excellent.

DAYoung
18th August 06, 07:25 PM
As for your cognac, Phrost, I'm glad your disturbing love of Coke Black hasn't destroyed your taste buds.

Neildo
18th August 06, 07:34 PM
As for your cognac, Phrost, I'm glad your disturbing love of Coke Black hasn't destroyed your taste buds.

Look closely. I think he wants to mix it with Red Bull.

I have yet to try any Red Bull concoction. I tried Red Bull straight-up once, the stuff tastes like cough syrup. Why would you want to mix it with booze?

Yargh.

DAYoung
18th August 06, 08:03 PM
Look closely. I think he wants to mix it with Red Bull.

I have yet to try any Red Bull concoction. I tried Red Bull straight-up once, the stuff tastes like cough syrup. Why would you want to mix it with booze?

Yargh.

I didn't pick that up.

Some possibilities just seem too horrible to imagine.

Animal...

Steve
18th August 06, 09:22 PM
So it's 1.5ppm < 9.0 ppm?

That's a lot of a substance I have yet to consume. I should get started.

edit: Cheater. You got that right from the website, while i'm breaking my brain trying to do this math thing. Damnit.

Work smart my friend, not hard. :-)


Look closely. I think he wants to mix it with Red Bull.

I have yet to try any Red Bull concoction. I tried Red Bull straight-up once, the stuff tastes like cough syrup. Why would you want to mix it with booze?

Yargh.

Good question.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1435409.stm


The Swedish National Food Administration (NFA) is heading the investigation, and has issued a public warning, telling people not to take Red Bull mixed with alcohol, or after heavy exercise.

The three healthy young people who died are all thought to have drunk Red Bull shortly before their deaths.

frumpleswift
18th August 06, 10:22 PM
http://www.theeel.com/vodka/image/luksusowa.jpg

^^Very good and very cheap!!
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I've got half a bottle in my cubbard right now actually. Good stuff. I think I'll have a martini.

Diggler McFeely
18th August 06, 10:41 PM
My tapeworm likes Diet Coke the most. So that's what I am drinking right now.

Steve
18th August 06, 11:05 PM
My tapeworm likes Diet Coke the most. So that's what I am drinking right now.

It's important to keep those little buggers happy, trust me I know!

http://www.jrj-socrates.com/Cartoon%20Pics/Nick%20Toons/Rocko/Tapeworm_300.gif

Steve
18th August 06, 11:06 PM
I've got half a bottle in my cubbard right now actually. Good stuff. I think I'll have a martini.

I've got an empty bottle in my cubbard....

Damn.

Halfrican
18th August 06, 11:55 PM
http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/images/2006/04/Grey%20Goose%20Fortune%20500.jpg
PLUS
http://shopuncleharrys.dukestores.duke.edu/images/juice%20014.jpg

Steve
19th August 06, 12:23 AM
http://www.washingtonrugbyclub.org/mainart/sidelines/dwayne_the_grey_goose.jpg

I also like:

http://latinoheat82.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/123-2370_imga.jpg

kungfujew
19th August 06, 12:46 AM
http://www.washingtonrugbyclub.org/mainart/sidelines/dwayne_the_grey_goose.jpg

I also like:

http://latinoheat82.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/123-2370_imga.jpg

That man does love his vodka...

Halfrican
19th August 06, 01:12 AM
That vodka really is THAT good...

Steve
19th August 06, 01:23 AM
That vodka really is THAT good...

Yeah, it's almost a shame to mix it.

On the rocks is quite nice.............................................. ............................

*ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz*

Huh? Sorry, passed out for a second.

Ragout
19th August 06, 02:51 AM
Phrost,

This is what you want. We sell it here for about $280 a shot.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/wine-club_1911_12588943

The highest quality Cognac on the market today, Louis XIII has been carefully tended by three generations of Rémy Martin cellar masters. The result is a magical combination of savoir-faire, art and patience. Rémy Martin Louis XIII uses only grapes from the Grande Champagne region which guarantees its unique, exclusive quality. It is blended from eaux de vie, some more than a century in age, then it is aged in 'tiercons', barrels that are several hundred years old, in a cellar set apart for it alone. Undoubtedly the world's finest, this exceptional Cognac has always been a favorite in the world of politics, fashion, and art. Its connoisseurs include Christian Dior and Elton John. Queen Elizabeth II, who was served Rémy Martin Louis XIII Grande Champagne Cognac in Versailles Palace in honor of her 1957 visit to France. And Winston Churchill, who celebrated his election victory with it in 1951.



Appellation: Grande Champagne Cognac

Color: Very Dark Golden Yellow, Fiery Red Tint, Mahogany.

First Nose: Narcissus, Jasmine, Very Old Tawny Port, Cigar Box Scent, Curry, Saffron, Nutmeg, Passion Fruit.

Second Nose: The Highest Complexity, Including Aromas from First and Second Noses.

Finish: 1 Hour

Airman Kai
19th August 06, 03:08 AM
I'm drinking a carribean screwdriver (rum and OJ). I have no taste.

Kiko
19th August 06, 05:24 AM
Vodka is evil, it makes me hit people I like.
I'm drinking strong coffee with too much vanilla coffeemate in it atm.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
19th August 06, 05:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TUOPeNJCK8

DAYoung
19th August 06, 06:09 AM
Phrost,

This is what you want. We sell it here for about $280 a shot.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/wine-club_1911_12588943

The highest quality Cognac on the market today, Louis XIII has been carefully tended by three generations of Rémy Martin cellar masters. The result is a magical combination of savoir-faire, art and patience. Rémy Martin Louis XIII uses only grapes from the Grande Champagne region which guarantees its unique, exclusive quality. It is blended from eaux de vie, some more than a century in age, then it is aged in 'tiercons', barrels that are several hundred years old, in a cellar set apart for it alone. Undoubtedly the world's finest, this exceptional Cognac has always been a favorite in the world of politics, fashion, and art. Its connoisseurs include Christian Dior and Elton John. Queen Elizabeth II, who was served Rémy Martin Louis XIII Grande Champagne Cognac in Versailles Palace in honor of her 1957 visit to France. And Winston Churchill, who celebrated his election victory with it in 1951.



Appellation: Grande Champagne Cognac

Color: Very Dark Golden Yellow, Fiery Red Tint, Mahogany.

First Nose: Narcissus, Jasmine, Very Old Tawny Port, Cigar Box Scent, Curry, Saffron, Nutmeg, Passion Fruit.

Second Nose: The Highest Complexity, Including Aromas from First and Second Noses.

Finish: 1 Hour

http://www.dogmine.com/fun/drooling.jpg

Veldriss
19th August 06, 07:24 AM
Pineapple Juice. Little too early to be putting Malibu in it here, though its quite tempting.

Steve
22nd August 06, 02:00 PM
A friend of mine who is staying with me on vacation reminded me of the greatness that is Mack and Jack's:

http://www.cascadebrewersguild.org/images/mj_aa.jpg

Now that I've looked at their website (http://www.cascadebrewersguild.org/macnjack.asp) I realize that I have a few more beers of theirs to try....

The African Amber can only be had via tap at a pub. I imagine it's the same thing for the three other beers they produce.

Kiko
27th December 06, 05:25 PM
http://www.wallywine.com/images/Product/medium/10774.jpg

And it's very nice....

Iscariot
27th December 06, 05:34 PM
Water, though after dinner I'll be at the cans of John Smith's Extra Smooth.

I'm classy, I know.

DAYoung
27th December 06, 06:37 PM
Christmas: Veuve Cliquot champagne, Becks and Carlsberg beer and two fingers of Glenfiddich Scotch.

polishillusion
27th December 06, 08:09 PM
diet coke. 1.5 liter bottle. flask of vodka is being thrown around by my cousins, but i have school tomorrow. :'(

Iscariot
27th December 06, 08:10 PM
diet coke. 1.5 liter bottle. flask of vodka is being thrown around by my cousins, but i have school tomorrow. :'(
That would be a reason to drink!

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 10:01 PM
Christmas: Veuve Cliquot champagne, Becks and Carlsberg beer and two fingers of Glenfiddich Scotch.

I just finished off a bottle of 18 year old glenfiddich.

DAYoung
27th December 06, 10:05 PM
I just finished off a bottle of 18 year old glenfiddich.

http://static.flickr.com/9/14788318_dca6b7a1ac.jpg

As penance, I demand that you describe it.

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 10:20 PM
A lovely Speyside single malt with a warm peaty aroma. It had a mildly smokey flavor, and a complex earthiness that really needed to be rolled around on the tongue to fully appreciate. It went down smooth leaving a lovely warm feeling, and a desire for more. I need another bottle...

DAYoung
27th December 06, 10:26 PM
No. I think it'd be better if you sent me one. For you own sake - I don't want you getting jaded.

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 10:40 PM
No. I think it'd be better if you sent me one. For you own sake - I don't want you getting jaded.

You are free to visit me anytime, and I will split a bottle with you. I'd even be willing to split a 21 year bottle seeing as you would have flown all that way.

DAYoung
27th December 06, 10:51 PM
You are free to visit me anytime, and I will split a bottle with you. I'd even be willing to split a 21 year bottle seeing as you would have flown all that way.

If I'm ever in Virginia, I'll give you a 'hoy'.

But...er...I realise 'Virginia is for lovers', but...I think my visit should be, you know, Platonic.

And by that, I don't mean riddled with sexual innuendo and pederasty.

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 10:59 PM
If I'm ever in Virginia, I'll give you a 'hoy'.

But...er...I realise 'Virginia is for lovers', but...I think my visit should be, you know, Platonic.


You're just lucky that I'm not in the show me state...



And by that, I don't mean riddled with sexual innuendo and pederasty.

but, it's christmas...

Odacon
27th December 06, 10:59 PM
Corona extra, it's the first time i've posted on the interweb under the influence.

Steve
27th December 06, 11:01 PM
Congrats.

Iscariot
27th December 06, 11:02 PM
Just finished many cans of Extra Smooth.

Not the first time I've posted after a drink.

DAYoung
27th December 06, 11:05 PM
You're just lucky that I'm not in the show me state...

Good old Southern naive empiricism.


but, it's christmas...


And Plato was such a fervent Christian.

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 11:07 PM
Good old Southern naive empiricism.



And Plato was such a fervent Christian.

he and the catholic priesthood did seem to have similar views on pederasty...

DAYoung
27th December 06, 11:13 PM
I suspect he was more successful in mastering his passions. Socrates certainly was.

If only Christians could be more like pagans.

But then they wouldn't need to be Christians - by practicing healthy moderation in their desires, they'd have the happiness they long for, without all the confusion, resentment and guilt.

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 11:23 PM
I suspect he was more successful in mastering his passions. Socrates certainly was.

If only Christians could be more like pagans.

But then they wouldn't need to be Christians - by practicing healthy moderation in their desires, they'd have the happiness they long for, without all the confusion, resentment and guilt.

Not to be one to defend Christians or anything, but lets not have an overly glamorous view of pagans either. For every Socrates you had a Caligula. For every Aristotle a Nero (who gets a bad rap from historians, but I still wouldn't say he was a great man).

Why not say one's time is better spent learning to master one's own passions rather than waiting for an external force to master them for you.

DAYoung
27th December 06, 11:31 PM
It's my Hellenocentrism showing again. By 'pagan' I almost always mean 'The Apex of Classical Greek Civilisation'.

Not a skewed view at all...

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 11:34 PM
It's my Hellenocentrism showing again. By 'pagan' I almost always mean 'The Apex of Classical Greek Civilisation'.

Not a skewed view at all...

I thought pagan was basically a latin word for "hick" in Roman times.

They were the bumpkins from the country with funny religions. Not civilized like the romans.

Here it is:

Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, civilian, country dweller, from pagus country district

DAYoung
27th December 06, 11:42 PM
Yep. As I understand it, it was taken up by urban Roman Christians to refer to the unconverted heathen.

But it's also used as shorthand for the 'earthiness' of non-monotheistic religions, particularly non-Platonic Greece.

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 11:45 PM
Yep. As I understand it, it was taken up by urban Roman Christians to refer to the unconverted heathen.

But it's also used as shorthand for the 'earthiness' of non-monotheistic religions, particularly non-Platonic Greece.

You don't appreciate perfectly good pedantry.

DAYoung
27th December 06, 11:47 PM
How dare you!

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 11:49 PM
Hey, all the big Greeks are into it.

DAYoung
27th December 06, 11:53 PM
I've worked long and hard (oh, grow up) to be this pedantic, and I won't have my many achievements tarnished by your glib throw-away lines.

I even appreciate the difference between hyphens, em-dashes and en-dashes.

So, you know...

FUCK YOU, FRAMPTONSNIFF.

Phrost
27th December 06, 11:55 PM
A port, from (obviously) Portugal.

frumpleswift
27th December 06, 11:55 PM
I've worked long and hard (oh, grow up) to be this pedantic, and I won't have my many achievements tarnished by your glib throw-away lines.

I even appreciate the difference between hyphens, em-dashes and en-dashes.

So, you know...

FUCK YOU, FRAMPTONSNIFF.

touche dayisyoung

Cassius
28th December 06, 12:59 AM
Goose Island Nut Brown.

Sun Wukong
28th December 06, 02:10 AM
OJ to wash down all the naproxen i'm taking.

nihilist
29th December 06, 12:49 AM
3 oz. Stolichnaya Vodka (http://www.barnonedrinks.com/tips/dictionary/s.html#STOLICHNAYAVODKA) (100 Proof)
1 1/2 oz. Vermouth (http://www.barnonedrinks.com/tips/dictionary/v.html#VERMOUTH)
1 tsp. Olive Brine (http://www.barnonedrinks.com/tips/dictionary/o.html#OLIVEBRINE)
3 Olives (http://www.barnonedrinks.com/tips/dictionary/o.html#OLIVES)
Shaken, not stirred. (there's a reason for that and if you have to ask what that may be then you are not my friend anymore)

Steve
29th December 06, 01:21 AM
Scientists, specifically biochemists, and martini connoisseurs have investigated the difference between a martini shaken and a martini stirred. According to a study at the Department of Biochemistry at the University of Western Ontario in Canada to determine if the preparation of a martini has an influence on their antioxidant capacity, the shaken gin martinis were able to break down hydrogen peroxide and leave only 0.072% of the peroxide behind, versus the stirred gin martini which left behind 0.157% of the peroxide [3]. The study was done at the time because for reasons not quite known, moderate consumption of alcohol appears to reduce the risk of cataracts, cardiovascular disease, and stroke, none of which afflict the fictional THX-1138.

nihilist
29th December 06, 02:29 AM
I don't want to get too technical but aditionally, with a shaken martini you get cool tiny floaty ice thingies on the top.

Steve
29th December 06, 02:32 AM
Well, yeah. There's that too.

Kiko
16th February 07, 06:35 PM
https://www.nattybohgear.com/catalog/images/rogue.jpg

DAYoung
16th February 07, 07:00 PM
Yesterday, I had one of these...

"Hefeweizen is a much celebrated ale style from Bavaria – and is literally translated as “yeast – wheat”. These weissbiers are perfect for a summer thirst quencher, as they are typically light bodied with low hop bitterness. Our Hefeweizen features the characteristic banana and clove ester, which is first evident in the aroma, them in the flavour. Some residual sweetness balances the tartness of the wheat, and is them complimented by subtle spicy notes from the hop flowers grown in the Hallertau region of Bavaria."

http://www.hargreaveshill.com.au/images/hefe.jpg

Kiko
17th February 07, 08:42 PM
http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/ohana-sign.jpg

nihilist
17th February 07, 08:49 PM
My neighbor just stopped by and gave me a case of this:

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9584/img20060701t211148085ub9.jpg

bob
17th February 07, 08:54 PM
hmmm, refuse the future. Now that sounds tempting.

WarPhalange
17th February 07, 10:15 PM
Gummy worms.

nihilist
17th February 07, 10:18 PM
I was going to say something really rude but I changed my mind.

Steve
17th February 07, 11:05 PM
Me:

http://imgred.com/http://www.pyramidbrew.com/images/bottles_2005/snow_cap.jpg

My girl:

http://imgred.com/http://www.luminomagazine.com/mw/storyimages/1113_tall.jpg

nihilist
17th February 07, 11:09 PM
The northwest has some of the best beer on the planet.

I feel very fortunate.

Seraphim
17th February 07, 11:09 PM
A cheap red wine. A bit too fruity for my taste.

Steve
17th February 07, 11:22 PM
The northwest has some of the best beer on the planet.

I feel very fortunate.

Me and you both.

DAYoung
17th February 07, 11:26 PM
Me:

http://imgred.com/http://www.pyramidbrew.com/images/bottles_2005/snow_cap.jpg

My girl:

http://imgred.com/http://www.luminomagazine.com/mw/storyimages/1113_tall.jpg

Description of the beer, please.

Steve
18th February 07, 12:13 AM
Description of the beer, please.

Whoops, sorry:

Snow Cap, a seasonal beer by The Pyramid brewery.


A rich, full-bodied winter warmer crafted in the British tradition of holiday beers. This deep mahogany colored brew balances complex fruit flavors with a refreshingly smooth texture, making Snow Cap a highly drinkable and desirable cold weather companion.

Original Gravity: 1.071
Alcohol By Volume: 7.00%
Malts: 2-Row Barley, Caramel, Chocolate Malt
Hops: Willamette, East Kent Goldings
Availability: Mid October - January
Best Paired With: Shellfish, rich game and even rich chocolatey desserts

Silver Medal, World Beer Championships, "Strong Ale", 1998

It is indeed a strong beer. Most people I know either love it or hate it, with those that I get to try it enough times that are in the hate category moving slowly over to the love it category. Strong taste with a pleasant after taste at the back of the tongue.

Fat Tire, by New Belgium Brewery.


Like the ageless delight of pedaling a bicycle, Fat Tire Amber Ale’s appeal is in its feat of balance: Toasty malt flavors (sorta like biscuits just pulled from the oven) coasting in equilibrium with crisp hoppiness. Delicious stability - in the world of sometimes-precarious beer flavors – is perhaps what prompted one consumer who wrote us to say, “this beer just makes you smile.”

Fat Tire’s depth of flavor, achieved with neither a disproportionate sway toward hops or malts, tandems well with a full spectrum of today’s engaging cuisines. Salmon, dry-aged cheeses, roasted chilies, omelets at midnight, sweet potato French fries and just about anything with grill marks or garlic are just a few of the edibles we like to partner up with our Amber Ale.

Fat Tire is so named for the bike trip Jeff took through Belgium that greatly inspired his homebrewing efforts.

This one is not dissimilar to Snow Cap in flavor (tho a bit more chocolately than Snow Cap, surprisingly), IMO. A good beer for cold nights as well, it's a standard for drinking at home but also for getting a few pints at the pub all year round. Not quite as strong, but still will get you feeling nice and warm after a couple (depending on what you're used to).

DAYoung
18th February 07, 12:23 AM
Excellent, thanks Steve.

It's freezing cold there, right?

Steve
18th February 07, 12:26 AM
Naw, it's around 8-10 out. Okay compared to what we had earlier this year.

DAYoung
18th February 07, 12:30 AM
Naw, it's around 8-10 out. Okay compared to what we had earlier this year.

But definitely thick beer weather...?

It's 100ºF here - the thought of stout...ugh...

nihilist
18th February 07, 12:32 AM
Day just wanted to brag about the weather in paradise.

DAYoung
18th February 07, 12:35 AM
I hate this weather. Anything that prompts me to get air-conditioning is evil.

Like...er...air conditioning and climate change...

Steve
18th February 07, 12:36 AM
But definitely thick beer weather...?

It's 100ºF here - the thought of stout...ugh...

Oh yeah! Definitely good for thicker beer, it still get's dark out pretty early. Cozying up to a nice beer at night with the temp down a bit, awesome.

I'll save those pales and IPAs for the summer! I couldn't imagine drinking a thick beer at over 100, ugh indeed.

Off to a house warming party now, see ya.

DAYoung
18th February 07, 12:56 AM
Alrighty...you warm that house...

Steve
18th February 07, 07:10 AM
Warmed it and left. Now I should be sleeping...............

Kiko
18th February 07, 07:32 AM
So.. warm YOUR house? *wink, wink*

mrblackmagic
18th February 07, 12:34 PM
Recovering from too much Captain Morgan Tatoo Rum and 2% milk.

Steve
18th February 07, 01:01 PM
So.. warm YOUR house? *wink, wink*

My house is ALWAYS warm.

*nudge, nudge*

Kiko
18th February 07, 02:26 PM
Say no MORE!

Neildo
18th February 07, 08:03 PM
Recovering from too much Captain Morgan Tatoo Rum and 2% milk.

One time, after a night of abusing a bottle of Appletons estate 151 proof rum, I awoke severly dehydrated. The tap water at the place i was living wasn't drinkable, the pipes were old and made the water taste nasty. I finished the last glass of orange juice and was still thirsty, so i had a swig of milk.

I laid back down and about 30 seconds later strolled over to the toilet and casually vomitted. The milk had instantly curdled in my stomach.
The weird parrt was I laid down and slept a bit more, and woke up quite refreshed!