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Stabm
5th August 04, 01:01 AM
I'm sure this is old news for a lot of you but didn't see it in the first few pages of post.

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

Lucifrinia
5th August 04, 07:26 AM
Powerful if nothing else. Also see www.swiftvets.com if you have not already.

Derreck
5th August 04, 08:07 AM
Did anyone ever watch Clone High? It was a pretty funny show. Anyhow, I am reminded of an episode where Abe Lincoln and JFK are running for class president, and Joan of Arc makes this smear campaign video about Abe, and it's all, "You know, Abe Lincoln has never come out and said that he doesn't eat babies... maybe that's because he's too busy... EATING BABIES."

Lucifrinia
5th August 04, 08:24 AM
That is so funny.

Nuku_Unu
5th August 04, 08:40 AM
Right and Kerry is going to be the executive leader of the military? Better start studying the koran now.

Jimatra
5th August 04, 09:04 AM
All politcians are liars, its in the job description, get used to it. Except for Kim Jong Il, he's just a dealmaker.

Cilumbik
5th August 04, 09:18 AM
I'm sure this kind of allegations against Kerry won't hurt him or change the minds of people who are already set on voting for Kerry. They want anyone besides Bush.

Shorrtee McHeals
5th August 04, 10:33 AM
John Kerry is a pathetic, lying, flip-flopping loser. At this point, it would (almost) be preferable to me if Al Sharpton would have won the nomination.

Nuku_Unu
5th August 04, 10:45 AM
John Kerry is a pathetic, lying, flip-flopping loser. At this point, it would (almost) be preferable to me if Al Sharpton would have won the nomination.

/agree, or at least Nader didn't he want to do away with NAFTA? Keep jobs in America and keep Americans employed! This bullshit where jobs are out sourced to the cheapest country's just so the stock holders and upper management can get bigger dividends and bonuses is bullshit. The old line that this will force America to do things smarter faster how the fuck do you compete againest paying someone $3.00 a day compared to American wages I don't care if you employee Superman to do it faster we cant compete with shit like that. We need legislature to make NAFTA more fair.

Andorion
5th August 04, 10:51 AM
While the information presented in that little flash animation might be true, the style was so annoying I closed it partway through.

beck
5th August 04, 10:52 AM
I think it's a normal "sour grapes" smear thing. I've seen the lengths Navy Officers will go to stab each other in the back.

Bukow
5th August 04, 11:09 AM
/agree, or at least Nader didn't he want to do away with NAFTA? Keep jobs in America and keep Americans employed! This bullshit where jobs are out sourced to the cheapest country's just so the stock holders and upper management can get bigger dividends and bonuses is bullshit. The old line that this will force America to do things smarter faster how the fuck do you compete againest paying someone $3.00 a day compared to American wages I don't care if you employee Superman to do it faster we cant compete with shit like that. We need legislature to make NAFTA more fair.


Mercantilism doesn't work; it just makes everyone poorer. Re-read Ricardo. Comparative advantage is the key, not some protectionist measure that causes everyone to pay more for the same product.

Nuku_Unu
5th August 04, 12:21 PM
Mercantilism doesn't work; it just makes everyone poorer. Re-read Ricardo. Comparative advantage is the key, not some protectionist measure that causes everyone to pay more for the same product.

I do agree with you to a point. We should particpate in the global economy. My point is it should be fair. Big business will continue to use up these 3rd world country's until their economy improves then they just move on to the next poor country that they can take advantage of. Also when your job is sent to India or China or Uzbekistan and your out of work for a year and use up all your life savings then to have to settle for a less paid position then you had originally like hundreds of thousand ( maybe its even millions I don't know the exact numbers)Americans have. I don't think you will feel so strongly.

Lucifrinia
5th August 04, 12:32 PM
This is supposed to be a link to the commercial but my work computer would not play it.

http://lb.wnd.com/anyquestions.wmv

Phrost
5th August 04, 12:46 PM
The problem with focusing more on the individual's employment than the corporation's health is that you end up saving a few thousand jobs while eventually running the corporation into the ground so that everyone loses their job, just on a longer time table.

You can't participate in the free market half-ass. 1000 years ago people were mostly farmers. They complained when farming technology evolved, but progress should not be stiffled for the sake of maintaining stability.

Bukow
5th August 04, 01:00 PM
I do agree with you to a point. We should particpate in the global economy. My point is it should be fair.

To whom isn't it fair? It's fair to the person who's willing to work for the wage. It's fair for the customer who ends up paying less for the product and/or services. In other words, it's fair to the buyer and the seller.

The only person to whom it's not "fair" is the third party demanding you pay him more for the same thing.



Big business will continue to use up these 3rd world country's until their economy improves then they just move on to the next poor country that they can take advantage of.

Yes, and the vast majority of people are better off because of it.



Also when your job is sent to India or China or Uzbekistan and your out of work for a year and use up all your life savings then to have to settle for a less paid position then you had originally like hundreds of thousand ( maybe its even millions I don't know the exact numbers)Americans have. I don't think you will feel so strongly.

My job won't be exported to India or China because it's not the sort of skill that can be outsourced like that.

Second, that's life. No one owes you, me, or anyone else a lifetime of guaranteed work. It's up to you to compete with others, to prove you have the skills necessary for the wage you want, and to ensure for yourself a measure of security. If you aren't making as much as you want, then either learn something new or accept the fact that you just aren't as marketable as you might like.

chunk town hoya
5th August 04, 01:49 PM
So when do we see the flash about Bush doing coke and being a pussy in the National Guard?

Nuku_Unu
5th August 04, 02:08 PM
To whom isn't it fair? It's fair to the person who's willing to work for the wage. It's fair for the customer who ends up paying less for the product and/or services. In other words, it's fair to the buyer and the seller.

The only person to whom it's not "fair" is the third party demanding you pay him more for the same thing.



Yes, and the vast majority of people are better off because of it.



My job won't be exported to India or China because it's not the sort of skill that can be outsourced like that.

Second, that's life. No one owes you, me, or anyone else a lifetime of guaranteed work. It's up to you to compete with others, to prove you have the skills necessary for the wage you want, and to ensure for yourself a measure of security. If you aren't making as much as you want, then either learn something new or accept the fact that you just aren't as marketable as you might like.
Its nice that your in a job of no risk as am I. So you can sit back with that type of thinking. Even with a job that isn't at risk enough jobs go over sea's and people stop spending money because unemployment goes through the roof here and I bet you 5 to 1 that will affect you then.

Nuku_Unu
5th August 04, 02:23 PM
The problem with focusing more on the individual's employment than the corporation's health is that you end up saving a few thousand jobs while eventually running the corporation into the ground so that everyone loses their job, just on a longer time table.

You can't participate in the free market half-ass. 1000 years ago people were mostly farmers. They complained when farming technology evolved, but progress should not be stiffled for the sake of maintaining stability.
A few thousand jobs? There have been so many jobs off shored way more then a few thousand. Many more go everyday. I understand that we cant particpate in free market half assed. Its all about wall street they run this country. I just think there should be some protection for the worker bee's. After all if there are not any jobs there isn't any worker bee's buying. As far as your analogy with the farmers that only goes so far if you look at it real long term as the 3rd world country's develop almost any job is at risk (except for service industry) science/industry/bio engineering will all go so in the future it wont matter how "marketable" you are because there wont be any jobs and we will become a labor force of travelers to the other country's to go where the work is. Problem with that is we will make 3 bucks and hour like everyone else while a refridgerator still costs $1000.00

Phrost
5th August 04, 02:30 PM
Why should we force companies to pay people more than they're worth?

That's essentially what you're doing when you refuse to allow them to hire anyone. If an engineer in India can do the job for 1/3rd the cost, then it's immoral to force an employer to pay someone more simply because of the color of his skin or his place of residence.

It's the individual's repsonsibility to ensure he has marketable skills. The world changes, either change with it, adapt and overcome, or starve.

Nuku_Unu
5th August 04, 03:10 PM
Why should we force companies to pay people more than they're worth?

That's essentially what you're doing when you refuse to allow them to hire anyone. If an engineer in India can do the job for 1/3rd the cost, then it's immoral to force an employer to pay someone more simply because of the color of his skin or his place of residence.

It's the individual's repsonsibility to ensure he has marketable skills. The world changes, either change with it, adapt and overcome, or starve.
Why is paying someone here (for example) 50k more then they are worth? Compared to who, what scale? Sure compared to some starving person half way around the world will do it for 1/3? That makes the person here not worth 50k? As far as immoral come on we are talking business here dog eat dog scrupulous behavior beyond belief. Employer and morality shouldn't even be in the same sentence remember that CEO salary's have increased 1000% in the past ten years and worker bee's have increased 30% Your still not thinking long term maybe not our life time say our grandchildren there wont be anything to adapt to everyone will have to move to the 3rd world country's to adapt and overcome or starve. The question is simple if you let ALL the jobs go over sea's whats left? 0 nadda nothing. Massive unemployment Or how about this would you be willing to work for 1/4 of 50k to "adapt overcome compete" with the starving person because it certainly could come down to that. Little different when you look at in reverse.

Sithray
5th August 04, 03:25 PM
Blah blah blah blah blah! This thread just reinforces my idea to move to Ireland. There are 2 types of people in America, Sheep, as seen in this thread, and neo liberals/conservatives who I hate more and more each day.

Nuku_Unu
5th August 04, 03:59 PM
Blah blah blah blah blah! This thread just reinforces my idea to move to Ireland. There are 2 types of people in America, Sheep, as seen in this thread, and neo liberals/conservatives who I hate more and more each day.

Sorry you feel this way. I hear Dutch people are nice also are the Swiss

Bukow
5th August 04, 05:44 PM
Its nice that your in a job of no risk as am I. So you can sit back with that type of thinking. Even with a job that isn't at risk enough jobs go over sea's and people stop spending money because unemployment goes through the roof here and I bet you 5 to 1 that will affect you then.

It's that type of thinking that caused me to obtain competitive skills, not the other way around.

I could turn your argument around, too, and say, "You only favor those policies because they help you and others in your situation, while penalizing the 98% of us whose jobs are not being outsourced. You want the rest of us to pay more for your inferior product/services; so who is acting narrowly and in their own self-interest?"

Protectionism never works, except insofar as it props up industries that otherwise couldn't survive in a competitive market. But in such cases, it is against the general interest of the citizens living under the protectionist government, because the taxpayer is the one footing the bill for the government/industry's inefficient allocation of capital.



Why is paying someone here (for example) 50k more then they are worth? Compared to who, what scale?

Price is determined by supply and demand. What you are doing is favoring policies that forbid employers from tapping the available supply.

Paying someone $50k when you can pay someone else $10k for the same product/service is foolish. It is also more than their service is worth; how can you think otherwise, given the facts of this example? If the labor is not overpriced, then employers have no reason to look elsewhere for it. If it is, then they'll shop around.

It's the same as if I tried to sell you a beat up car for $1,000,000. You'd say it wasn't worth it, because you could get the same kind of car for much, much cheaper. Labor is no different. So why do you treat it as some sort of sacred cow, exempt from the laws of supply and demand?

Merauk
5th August 04, 05:49 PM
Protectionism never works, except insofar as it props up industries that otherwise couldn't survive in a competitive market. But in such cases, it is against the general interest of the citizens living under the protectionist government, because the taxpayer is the one footing the bill for the government/industry's inefficient allocation of capital.

That isn't true, Harley Davidson is a prime example of protectionism working. I am a free trader by nature but some level of protectionism is neccessary for national security. We worry about oil dependence in the US, but little thought is put into what is going to happen in 50yrs when we grow no food in the US. You can live without oil, it is real fucking difficult to live without food.

Like any issue the answer is more grey then black or white.

Bukow
5th August 04, 05:55 PM
That isn't true, Harley Davidson is a prime example of protectionism working. I am a free trader by nature but some level of protectionism is neccessary for national security. We worry about oil dependence in the US, but little thought is put into what is going to happen in 50yrs when we grow no food in the US. You can live without oil, it is real fucking difficult to live without food.

Like any issue the answer is more grey then black or white.

I'd LOVE to see how much the US taxpayers spent in order to secure every one of Harley Davison's jobs. I know Reagan's protectionist measures came at a hefty price when he tried to save the auto industry -- something like $400,000 per job saved. ( And, for example: "The World Bank estimates that import restrictions in 1984 had the same effect as a 66% income tax surcharge on Amer*ica's poorest citizens. Less obvious is the harm to American producers, who lose exports and pay more for capital goods because of protectionism. For example, everyone, including the beleaguered American auto industry, has to pay more for steel because of the Reagan administration's restrictions on imports. Even the steel industry is hurt because artificially high prices stimulate the search for alternative materials." -- from http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp?control=489)

I can at least understand the idea of national security as a motive for invoking protectionist measures, but I don't see any realistic threats on the horizon; thus, as anything other than a theoretical dilemma, it's not something we need to worry about. (As far as food -- once again, we subsidize farmers not to grow it. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that we need to be protectionist in regard to food importation, especially since we export it.)

Phrost
5th August 04, 08:47 PM
Protectionist policies sound great in the short term, but completely fucking ruin the economy in the long term.

And you know what? I work in the tech industry. I know full well the bullshit of outsourcing to India, considering Indians in India now consist of at least 30% of our company, at the expense of our engineers.

Guess what I'm doing? Yep, I just got accepted into a bachelor's program for a degreee in Criminal Justice... this afternoon. You see, I take responsibility for my choices and don't blame everyone else for my mistakes.

So you can take your ideal Nanny State and cram it up your socialist asshole. America was founded on the spirit of individualism and self-reliance, not on dependency, entitlement, and sheltering the incompetent.

It's not my fault if you chose to stay in a shitty career field. Nor should it be my responsibility to pay for keeping you employed if someone can do your job for less money.

Merauk
5th August 04, 08:50 PM
I'd LOVE to see how much the US taxpayers spent in order to secure every one of Harley Davison's jobs.

It only cost the tax payers buying imported motorcycles who had to pay the higher tariff on them. Even the most ardent free trader supports some level of protectionism. Without it we would have no agriculture or manufacturing in the US. I would be a rich muther fucker as my job involves importing shit from Asia. You nigga's would be in the soup line wondering what the fuck happened.

Remember everywhere else in the world governments support industry with subsidies and trade barriers. If the US didn't do the same US business would be fucked. Free trade will happen right around the time that world government takes root and the French stop being French.

Phrost
5th August 04, 09:02 PM
Why is paying someone here (for example) 50k more then they are worth? Compared to who, what scale? Sure compared to some starving person half way around the world will do it for 1/3? That makes the person here not worth 50k? As far as immoral come on we are talking business here dog eat dog scrupulous behavior beyond belief. Employer and morality shouldn't even be in the same sentence remember that CEO salary's have increased 1000% in the past ten years and worker bee's have increased 30% Your still not thinking long term maybe not our life time say our grandchildren there wont be anything to adapt to everyone will have to move to the 3rd world country's to adapt and overcome or starve. The question is simple if you let ALL the jobs go over sea's whats left? 0 nadda nothing. Massive unemployment Or how about this would you be willing to work for 1/4 of 50k to "adapt overcome compete" with the starving person because it certainly could come down to that. Little different when you look at in reverse.

The foundation of your thinking is that profit, at the expense of others, is immoral.

The foundation of my thinking is that using government to redistribute the fruits of one's labor, be they physical or intellectual, as a penalty for success to subsidize failure, is immoral.

So drop the slippery slope argument about all jobs going overseas. Guess what? Stupid people who don't adapt to the environment get eaten by it. Boo fucking hoo. I'll bet you can't even sit through an episode of Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom without wanting to avenge the poor ibis' death at the hands of the mean old leopard.

It's not the government's job to protect stupid people from their own stupidity. Somewhere along the line people forgot this.

Phrost
5th August 04, 09:05 PM
It only cost the tax payers buying imported motorcycles who had to pay the higher tariff on them. Even the most ardent free trader supports some level of protectionism. Without it we would have no agriculture or manufacturing in the US. I would be a rich muther fucker as my job involves importing shit from Asia. You nigga's would be in the soup line wondering what the fuck happened.

Remember everywhere else in the world governments support industry with subsidies and trade barriers. If the US didn't do the same US business would be fucked. Free trade will happen right around the time that world government takes root and the French stop being French.

I can agree with most of that. We're not living in an ideal world so things aren't black and white. But simply protecting jobs for its own sake comes at the expense of slowing progress.

Hurricane Aegien
5th August 04, 11:03 PM
Did anyone ever watch Clone High? It was a pretty funny show. Anyhow, I am reminded of an episode where Abe Lincoln and JFK are running for class president, and Joan of Arc makes this smear campaign video about Abe, and it's all, "You know, Abe Lincoln has never come out and said that he doesn't eat babies... maybe that's because he's too busy... EATING BABIES."

Clone high was the shit.

Bukow
5th August 04, 11:43 PM
It only cost the tax payers buying imported motorcycles who had to pay the higher tariff on them.

Incorrect. You're looking at one group, instead of how this policy affects all groups. It not only hurts the purchaser of a foreign bike. It also sustains an artificially high price for an American bike, thereby causing purchasers to pay more than they otherwise would for the same product. Secondly, it creates an inefficient allocation of resources among the factors of production. Thirdly, every extra dollar that a consumer pays in tariff fees is an extra dollar that could have been used to buy other products. Therefore, it hurts other sales and causes job losses and such in other areas that would otherwise absorb those extra dollars at the consumer's disposal.

You might be interested in checking out Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson, where he explains how the fallacy you invoke here -- called "The Fallacy of the Broken Window" -- is applied across the economic spectrum by people ignorant of economics.



Even the most ardent free trader supports some level of protectionism.

REALLY?!? That's probably news to George Reisman, Ludwig von Mises, and Murry Rothbard, among others -- not to mention the Classical heavyweights like David Ricardo.



Remember everywhere else in the world governments support industry with subsidies and trade barriers. If the US didn't do the same US business would be fucked. Free trade will happen right around the time that world government takes root and the French stop being French.

The best thing for consumers to do is buy foreign goods that are produced more cheaply than we can make them.

Do you know anything about comparative advantage? Because I can't believe otherwise intelligent people are supporting 16th Century proto-economic policy in this day and age. It's like discarding the discoveries of chemisty in favor of alchemy.

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 08:06 AM
The foundation of your thinking is that profit, at the expense of others, is immoral.

The foundation of my thinking is that using government to redistribute the fruits of one's labor, be they physical or intellectual, as a penalty for success to subsidize failure, is immoral.

So drop the slippery slope argument about all jobs going overseas. Guess what? Stupid people who don't adapt to the environment get eaten by it. Boo fucking hoo. I'll bet you can't even sit through an episode of Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom without wanting to avenge the poor ibis' death at the hands of the mean old leopard.

It's not the government's job to protect stupid people from their own stupidity. Somewhere along the line people forgot this.
I knew it wouldn't take long for you phrack, when your argument isn't strong you automatically go to school yard name calling. So your still not looking long term what do you think, oh you will change career and get into law enforcement or a slimey lawyer. Well when there are no jobs and we are on boarder of anarchy wont matter what skills you have the economy will collapse and you will be in the soup line right next to everyone else. You still don't get it and wont. (Ill jump in the school yard here to now) Your narrow mind is set and no matter what anyone says or even if it all collapses around you. You will sit there and say nah nah nah nah while covering your ears everything is OK everything is OK!

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 08:15 AM
It's that type of thinking that caused me to obtain competitive skills, not the other way around.

I could turn your argument around, too, and say, "You only favor those policies because they help you and others in your situation, while penalizing the 98% of us whose jobs are not being outsourced. You want the rest of us to pay more for your inferior product/services; so who is acting narrowly and in their own self-interest?"
Reading comprehenion 101 like I said prevous my job is strongly protected it cant be out sourced its in the family of jobs that will be last to fall and it will only fall because of the collapse of military
Protectionism never works, except insofar as it props up industries that otherwise couldn't survive in a competitive market. But in such cases, it is against the general interest of the citizens living under the protectionist government, because the taxpayer is the one footing the bill for the government/industry's inefficient allocation of capital.



Price is determined by supply and demand. What you are doing is favoring policies that forbid employers from tapping the available supply.

Paying someone $50k when you can pay someone else $10k for the same product/service is foolish. It is also more than their service is worth; how can you think otherwise, given the facts of this example? If the labor is not overpriced, then employers have no reason to look elsewhere for it. If it is, then they'll shop around.

Again reading comprehention, all this can force the ecconomy to fail. Ill see you on the soup line."
It's the same as if I tried to sell you a beat up car for $1,000,000. You'd say it wasn't worth it, because you could get the same kind of car for much, much cheaper. Labor is no different. So why do you treat it as some sort of sacred cow, exempt from the laws of supply and demand?
Like Phrack your mind is made up and refuse to see beyond lining your pockets and not look into the future. No sense in arguing with a wall.

Merauk
6th August 04, 08:25 AM
The best thing for consumers to do is buy foreign goods that are produced more cheaply than we can make them.

So we should dismantle our entire military industrial complex and buy subsidized French and other foreign hardware till they decide to stop selling it to us and we are left defenseless? While we are at it we should outsource our entire military and government to Kenya, those fuckers will work for nothing.

The US is not a closed economy and the reality is that the entire world engages in protectionism, if the US did not do so as well American industry would grind to a halt. Your quoting of various economic thinkers and their works once again reminds me of the scene in Good Will Hunting where Robin Williams and Matt Damon sit on a park bench and Robin tells him that there is a difference between looking at the Sistine Chapel in a book and seeing it in person. There is a marked difference between economic theory and how world trade is actually done. And as somebody who actually shapes US trade policies I have seen the proverbial Chapel.

In simple terms Communism on paper is a world utopia, in practice it turned out to be a stinking pile of shit.

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 08:33 AM
So we should dismantle our entire military industrial complex and buy subsidized French and other foreign hardware till they decide to stop selling it to us and we are left defenseless? While we are at it we should outsource our entire military and government to Kenya, those fuckers will work for nothing.

The US is not a closed economy and the reality is that the entire world engages in protectionism, if the US did not do so as well American industry would grind to a halt. Your quoting of various economic thinkers and their works once again reminds me of the scene in Good Will Hunting where Robin Williams and Matt Damon sit on a park bench and Robin tells him that there is a difference between looking at the Sistine Chapel in a book and seeing it in person. There is a marked difference between economic theory and how world trade is actually done. And as somebody who actually shapes US trade policies I have seen the proverbial Chapel.

In simple terms Communism on paper is a world utopia, in practice it turned out to be a stinking pile of shit.

Shit don't farm out the military then I will be out of a job because of out sourcing! lol

Phrost
6th August 04, 09:34 AM
I knew it wouldn't take long for you phrack, when your argument isn't strong you automatically go to school yard name calling. So your still not looking long term what do you think, oh you will change career and get into law enforcement or a slimey lawyer. Well when there are no jobs and we are on boarder of anarchy wont matter what skills you have the economy will collapse and you will be in the soup line right next to everyone else. You still don't get it and wont. (Ill jump in the school yard here to now) Your narrow mind is set and no matter what anyone says or even if it all collapses around you. You will sit there and say nah nah nah nah while covering your ears everything is OK everything is OK!

I only resorted to name calling because you're a fucking sissy shithead.

If the economy collapsed I'd do fine as well, I know how to hunt, fish, and can survive just fine without society. Besides, if the country goes insane there will always be a job market for people willing to round up pussies like you.

It's you that has the problem living without a handout, leg up, etc. You're under the misguided notion that the government owes you a comfortable life and stable career. Do you even understand the difference between Capitalism and Socialism? Do you realize that we're a Capitalist country?

No, I "get" it all too well. You want a Nanny State; you want Socialism. That's fine, just not in the USA.

Pussy. Nobody owes you anything out of life. Not a job, not happiness, not a meal.

Earn it yourself, or starve.

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 10:01 AM
I only resorted to name calling because you're a fucking sissy shithead.

If the economy collapsed I'd do fine as well, I know how to hunt, fish, and can survive just fine without society. Besides, if the country goes insane there will always be a job market for people willing to round up pussies like you.

It's you that has the problem living without a handout, leg up, etc. You're under the misguided notion that the government owes you a comfortable life and stable career. Do you even understand the difference between Capitalism and Socialism? Do you realize that we're a Capitalist country?

No, I "get" it all too well. You want a Nanny State; you want Socialism. That's fine, just not in the USA.

Pussy. Nobody owes you anything out of life. Not a job, not happiness, not a meal.

Earn it yourself, or starve.HAHAHAHA, Wow you really showed your intelligence there! Your one ignorant motherfucker. You should go back to school! Go back and reread some of Merauks posts about all country's try to protect themselves to a point and we are currently not doing that enough is my point. I agree with Merauk's stance on this he got the point across much better then I did because he works in global markets and knows way the fuck more then anyone here about this subject. It has nothing to do with the government owing anyone or socialism you fucknut. Sheesh and I used to think you where a pretty smart cookie, guess I was just entertained by your childish name calling. You are an adult right? Sure I'm not talking to a 12 year old? Whats next the big offer to come to your home town and fight you!! Someday someone might take you up on it and put a .38 slug in you, no tuff guy martial arts will stop a .38 slug. Then you can have even more tuff guy story's how you got shot in the knee or the arm and you can be even a cooler tuff guy *Ya right!**chuckle* You hunt and fish hahaha, I can see you now as you lose your house and your cars and your toys and going Robinson Curiso. You wont make it that far if everything colapses you will be killed in your home trying to defend it from the mobs.

PS Here Ill put in terms you can understand! Your a poopoo head! LOL

Merauk
6th August 04, 10:42 AM
All I got to say on this is Nuku is one shitty ass driver and scared me to death once. But he had a bitching Camaro.

Phrost
6th August 04, 10:43 AM
I'm going to let you know in advance that I only read what you put in bold... sorry, use paragraphs next time and I might grace your words with my attention.

Anyway, Merauk made the point that limited protectionism is not a bad thing. With which, I agreed.

But you're arguing for EXTREME protectionism so you never have to worry about having your job taken by someone who will work for less in another country, or learning another trade as the world moves on without you.

Pussy.

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 10:47 AM
I'm going to let you know in advance that I only read what you put in bold... sorry, use paragraphs next time and I might grace your words with my attention.

Anyway, Merauk made the point that limited protectionism is not a bad thing. With which, I agreed.

But you're arguing for EXTREME protectionism so you never have to worry about having your job taken by someone who will work for less in another country, or learning another trade as the world moves on without you.

Pussy.HAHAHA, to bad you should really read the whole thing because I made you look like dog shit. I never argued for EXTREME protectionism you all jumped to that conclusion if you would have read the next sentence after the bold you would've realized that.

FUCKNUT!

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 10:54 AM
All I got to say on this is Nuku is one shitty ass driver and scared me to death once. But he had a bitching Camaro.
Is that why you had your eyes closed part of the time? LOL Ya I am a bad driver I drive like I am in the passenger seat watching the scenery and day dreaming. Doesn't mix well with a Camaro but it does add to the fun factor!

Phrost
6th August 04, 10:55 AM
HAHAHA, to bad you should really read the whole thing because I made you look like dog shit. I never argued for EXTREME protectionism you all jumped to that conclusion if you would have read the next sentence after the bold you would've realized that.

FUCKNUT!

POOSAY.

Merauk
6th August 04, 10:58 AM
Is that why you had your eyes closed part of the time?

They certainly weren't closed because I had to much to drink. Note to everyone on this board if you visit Naeen, Gaef, & Bgup BYOB because they are cheap muther fuckers.

Bukow
6th August 04, 12:20 PM
So we should dismantle our entire military industrial complex and buy subsidized French and other foreign hardware till they decide to stop selling it to us and we are left defenseless?

Is French military hardware superior to that which we produce? If not, then the answer is no. And if it were, then yes, we should definitely buy it. That's what half the world does, you realize. You don't use shitty products if you can afford better.



While we are at it we should outsource our entire military and government to Kenya, those fuckers will work for nothing.

Except that 1) We would not get the same quality product; and 2) we would perhaps endanger ourselves unreasonably by letting secrets to nonloyal foreign nationals.



The US is not a closed economy and the reality is that the entire world engages in protectionism, if the US did not do so as well American industry would grind to a halt.

There would be some displacement, as inevitably results from progress and the flow of capital toward the highest rate of return. This is a good thing, but if you want to keep believing in the bugbear of economic ruin, I'm sure it plays well to the economic illiterates that make up the majority of this country.



Your quoting of various economic thinkers and their works once again reminds me of the scene in Good Will Hunting where Robin Williams and Matt Damon sit on a park bench and Robin tells him that there is a difference between looking at the Sistine Chapel in a book and seeing it in person. There is a marked difference between economic theory and how world trade is actually done.

My reference to the economists was made in response to your claim that "no free marketer supports unrestricted free trade." I showed you economists who do (and I could show you many more, including Nobel Prize winners, like Hayek and Coase) therefore showing the falsity of your claim. To this, you reply that I am swept away by theory, as opposed to understanding the practices involved in trade.

So let me put it this way: You can be dying of a disease, and know exactly what it feels like, and still not know a thing about the biological and chemical factors that underlie the disease. You could cling to tradition and "pray," hoping you get better, and deny the "theory" behind medicines. This would allow you to arrive at a similar place in regards to medicine as you now stand toward economics.


And as somebody who actually shapes US trade policies I have seen the proverbial Chapel.

Yes, because working in any given segment of the economy makes one knowledgeable about basic economics, right? Exactly the reason that the unemployed GM line-workers I encounter on a daily basis are all experts in wages, profits, corporate taxation, and dumping: Ignorance is not outlawed.



In simple terms Communism on paper is a world utopia, in practice it turned out to be a stinking pile of shit.

Once again, a popular notion absorbed without much critical thought. Because it would take about 2 minutes of thinking to realize that it's a "stinking pile of shit" in theory, because it doesn't work in practice. Why would you think a theory is good if it doesn't work in practice? Duh.

Last, one of the economists I mentioned -- von Mises -- saw the "chapel" a lot sooner than almost anyone else -- but by delving deeply into theory instead of relying on conventional wisdom. He saw that communism would inevitably result in economic collapse and said as much in the 1920's. Not due to any fault of human nature, but because of a <i>theoretical</i> fault which was impossible to overcome: the absence of a pricing mechanism, which would result in system wide inefficiency. Of course, even until the early 80's, von Mises' was often dismissed by those who, like you, felt they were "in the know." Fortunately for the west, von Mises was right. Score one for "theory," and none for those people still drooling over a couple dicks on the Chapel's ceiling.

Bukow
6th August 04, 12:23 PM
Like Phrack your mind is made up and refuse to see beyond lining your pockets and not look into the future. No sense in arguing with a wall.

Like Merauk, your mind is made up and you refuse to see beyond big brother government protecting you from all those little brown people who want to take your God-given right as an American to have a $50k/year job.

Tell ya what -- why don't you only trade with people from your hometown? If everyone only buys products that you guys made, you'll all end up really wealthy, right? Or better yet -- buy only from people on your own street! Then you'll have the wealthiest street in town! Right?

Protectionism is absurd, and makes no more sense when you apply it to countries instead of neighborhoods.

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 12:30 PM
Like Merauk, your mind is made up and you refuse to see beyond big brother government protecting you from all those little brown people who want to take your God-given right as an American to have a $50k/year job.

Tell ya what -- why don't you only trade with people from your hometown? If everyone only buys products that you guys made, you'll all end up really wealthy, right? Or better yet -- buy only from people on your own street! Then you'll have the wealthiest street in town! Right?

Protectionism is absurd, and makes no more sense when you apply it to countries instead of neighborhoods.
Wall meet Bukow, Bukow meet wall! What about ALL the other country's in the world using moderate to extreme protectionism? They are not stopping thats the point. So we stop protecting ourselves moderately which is the direction we seem to be heading and we take it up the ass by the rest of the country's that are still using moderate to extreme protectionism. Understand now? sheesh its not rocket science.

Clug
6th August 04, 12:46 PM
That isn't true, Harley Davidson is a prime example of protectionism working.

IMO, HD didn't really need that tarrif to "save" the company, so that is a bad example.

If you haven't noticed, HD's are still double and triple the price of jap bikes and they still sell like hot cakes.

Bukow
6th August 04, 12:50 PM
Wall meet Bukow, Bukow meet wall! What about ALL the other country's in the world using moderate to extreme protectionism? They are not stopping thats the point. So we stop protecting ourselves moderately which is the direction we seem to be heading and we take it up the ass by the rest of the country's that are still using moderate to extreme protectionism. Understand now? sheesh its not rocket science.

Don't you think it's more than coincidental that countries who engage in vigorous trade with others turn out to be much wealthier than countries who restrict trade?

You're right it's not rocket science. But that makes me ask why you don't want to learn basic economics. I've not heard you say one thing in this thread that is remotely related to anything resembling the science of economics -- rather, just repetition of stale bromides.

If you can tell me why the residents of the state you live in would be better off without trading with residents of any other state, then maybe you'll gain some measure of respect in this debate. But since you can't and you wont demonstrate why -- because it's wrong in theory and it doesn't work in practice -- then maybe you should consider the fact that it doesn't apply when we erect the arbitrary lines that denote countries.

Phrost
6th August 04, 01:09 PM
Yeah, you can put it that way Bukow.

Or you could just say Nuku's a POOSAY.

Economically speaking.

Bukow
6th August 04, 01:19 PM
Yeah, you can put it that way Bukow.

Or you could just say Nuku's a POOSAY.

Economically speaking.

PURE THEORY!!!! =p

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 01:26 PM
Yeah, you can put it that way Bukow.

Or you could just say Nuku's a POOSAY.

Economically speaking.Whats that, your a 12 year old school yard bully? That when ever anyone stands up to you, you resort to name calling! Talk about a pussy!

Face it phrack you couldn't hang in the conversation so you fell back on your good ole stand by and attempt to intimidate and name call. Should we call you Kela junior?

Merauk
6th August 04, 01:36 PM
IMO, HD didn't really need that tarrif to "save" the company, so that is a bad example.

It took time for Harley to retool and develop into the company they are today, they wouldn’t have made it out of the early 80’s if they had to compete on a level playing field. They had an inferior product and were competing with companies that were selling bikes below cost in order to finish them off. I think it is a very good example of how a tariff can work evidenced by their turn around and their request to end the 5yr tariff a year early.


If you haven't noticed, HD's are still double and triple the price of jap bikes and they still sell like hot cakes.

Harley Davidson’s today sell like hotcakes, the time we are talking about was when they were known by their moniker “Hardly Able”.

I am a free trader but again what one must realize is that one sided free trade does not benefit America. If we drop our price controls and protective tariffs when competing countries do not, that is hardly free trade. Part of governments role is to protect our industries against the unfair practices of other countries.

Kiko
6th August 04, 01:37 PM
NO! because you will cause her to APPEAR! Call him something - ANYTHING - else!

Btw.. amazing derailment! Is this why Kerry's lying gets overlooked so much?

Bukow
6th August 04, 01:41 PM
Part of governments role is to protect our industries against the unfair practices of other countries.

While it's alright for the government to use pressure to open up markets for products, even doing this results in numerous problems. Witness the WTO's recent (and justified) decision against US protectionism. Also, countries pissed about our steel and some heavy industry tariffs are threatening to tax the hell out of American agricultural products in return. Chaos.


Btw.. amazing derailment! Is this why Kerry's lying gets overlooked so much?

Haha, good observation, considering that (I think) Nuku and I are both voting for the same guy.

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 01:45 PM
Don't you think it's more than coincidental that countries who engage in vigorous trade with others turn out to be much wealthier than countries who restrict trade?


I agree with the above statement but, what about us trading with other countrys that have protectionism from moderate to extreme and we take a screwing? Like whats going on with us and China? You think we should continue to take it in the ass and if so for how long? Or should there be modest legislature to help make it fair.Thats my point I am for open market trade the key is open.You're right it's not rocket science. But that makes me ask why you don't want to learn basic economics. I've not heard you say one thing in this thread that is remotely related to anything resembling the science of economics -- rather, just repetition of stale bromides.

If you can tell me why the residents of the state you live in would be better off without trading with residents of any other state, then maybe you'll gain some measure of respect in this debate. But since you can't and you wont demonstrate why -- because it's wrong in theory and it doesn't work in practice -- then maybe you should consider the fact that it doesn't apply when we erect the arbitrary lines that denote countries.
This has nothing to do with state commerce wow is English a second language for you?

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 01:52 PM
NO! because you will cause her to APPEAR! Call him something - ANYTHING - else!

Btw.. amazing derailment! Is this why Kerry's lying gets overlooked so much?

hehehe,, Ya have to say it 3 times fast in a row to invoke her.

Bukow
6th August 04, 02:07 PM
This has nothing to do with state commerce wow is English a second language for you?

No, but the fact that you made two (or possibly three) sentences into one, sans punctuation, makes me wonder about the phenomenon known as Projection.

State to state vs. Nation-state to Nation-state. What's the difference? If protectionism works in one case, why not the other? Come on, you can probably even make up a motto! Let's try it... Instead of "Buy American!" you could try...

"Buy... Elm Street!"
"Think globally, buy locally!"
or: "My Kid is an Honor Student but I Flunked Economics"

Pick and chose. My gift to you.

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 02:12 PM
No, but judging by the fact that you made two (or possibly three) sentences into one, sans punctuation, makes me wonder about the phenomenon known as Projection.

State to state vs. Nation-state to Nation-state. What's the difference? If protectionism works in one case, why not the other? Come on, you can probably even make up a motto! Let's try it... Instead of "Buy American!" you could try...

"Buy... Elm Street!"
"Think globally, buy locally!"
or: "My Kid is an Honor Student but I Flunked Economics"

Pick and chose. My gift to you.
Funny how you skipped the main part of my questions about China how about responding to the relevant part and not avoid the issue.

Nuku_Unu
6th August 04, 02:13 PM
Taking off for the day have a good weekend all.

Bukow
6th August 04, 02:19 PM
Funny how you skipped the main part of my questions about China how about responding to the relevant part and not avoid the issue.

Sorry, I must have missed the part about China; my brain wandered off toward greener pastures while you were talking about shooting Phrack with a .38 and stuff.

If you'd kindly restate whatever it was, or just copy and paste it, I'll be happy to address it when I get back from my cottage on Sunday.

By the way, while I'm up there, I'll scan the shore to make sure no rotten Canadians are trying to import products that'll cheat Americans out of their birthright, i.e., $100k/year riveting jobs.

Phrost
6th August 04, 03:03 PM
He threatened to shoot me, wtf?

Guess I should actually read what idiots around here write once in a while.

joen00b
6th August 04, 03:09 PM
Brown.

Kela
8th August 04, 12:25 AM
kela.

deadcat
8th August 04, 01:44 PM
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL544/755827/3700503/62651894.jpg

Phleg
8th August 04, 01:48 PM
Is French military hardware superior to that which we produce? If not, then the answer is no. And if it were, then yes, we should definitely buy it. That's what half the world does, you realize. You don't use shitty products if you can afford better.

90% of the world does it because they can't afford their own arms industries. However, in a nation like ours, being self-sufficient in military hardware can be an extreme advantage in times of war. It's far harder to cut off supply lines domestically than it is over open waters.

Zeta
9th August 04, 08:28 AM
kela.
Instigator!

Nuku_Unu
9th August 04, 01:42 PM
Sorry, I must have missed the part about China; my brain wandered off toward greener pastures while you were talking about shooting Phrack with a .38 and stuff.

If you'd kindly restate whatever it was, or just copy and paste it, I'll be happy to address it when I get back from my cottage on Sunday.

By the way, while I'm up there, I'll scan the shore to make sure no rotten Canadians are trying to import products that'll cheat Americans out of their birthright, i.e., $100k/year riveting jobs.



Originally Posted by Bukow
Don't you think it's more than coincidental that countries who engage in vigorous trade with others turn out to be much wealthier than countries who restrict trade?
Quote:
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I agree with the above statement but, what about us trading with other country's that have protectionism from moderate to extreme and we take a screwing? Like whats going on with us and China? You think we should continue to take it in the ass and if so for how long? Or should there be modest legislature to help make it fair.Thats my point I am for open market trade the key is open.

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As far as threatening to shoot phrack I did no such thing. I simply pointed out that his many offers to random people he doesn't know on the internet to come to his town for a fist fight, might fall on psychopaths ears someday (never know who is on a message board) that might just bring a .38 to the fight and no amount of martial art training will allow him to out run a speeding bullet. The above statement has been approved by my slimy lawyer! LOL
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Diggler McFeely
9th August 04, 06:06 PM
That's a <i>speeding</i> bullet, mind you. Not one of those bullets that fly under the limit in the fast lane.

joen00b
9th August 04, 06:45 PM
This has nothing to do with state commerce wow is English a second language for you?


I think it's safe to say it is for you, or you were homeschooled by a retarded aunt or something.

Nuku_Unu
10th August 04, 08:02 AM
I think it's safe to say it is for you, or you were homeschooled by a retarded aunt or something.

Wow you make no intelligent addition to the thread but jump into the school yard and make a lame attempt at getting a laugh at the expense of making fun of people that are mentally challenged. This make you feel like a man huh boy? Guess you want to fight me too huh? Pussy!

Go back to your 9 bucks an hour job doing phone support. Your thoughts might count when you get a real job and when you grow up and move out of your parents house. Let me know when that is and I might take you serious until then your just another 12 year old on a message board. :rolleyes:

Bukow
10th August 04, 09:34 AM
Wow you make no intelligent addition to the thread but jump into the school yard and make a lame attempt at getting a laugh at the expense of making fun of people that are mentally challenged. This make you feel like a man huh boy? Guess you want to fight me too huh? Pussy!

Go back to your 9 bucks an hour job doing phone support. Your thoughts might count when you get a real job and when you grow up and move out of your parents house. Let me know when that is and I might take you serious until then your just another 12 year old on a message board. :rolleyes:


This will certainly be a contender for the "Weakest comeback, 2004" award.

Nuku_Unu
10th August 04, 09:39 AM
This will certainly be a contender for the "Weakest comeback, 2004" award.Talk about weak your the one that quotes all the economic theory but when cornered with a question you cant answer you try a slight of hand move to direct eye's away from you.
Even when I copy and paste the question you refuse to answer the direct question about China. You minor attempt of misdirection has failed. Go back to your job on the board walk doing simple magic tricks for the kiddies. And you have just lost all creditability in the economic part of this thread any attempt from here just shows that I had to push and push to get you to respond. WTG

Bukow
10th August 04, 12:38 PM
Talk about weak your the one that quotes all the economic theory but when cornered with a question you cant answer you try a slight of hand move to direct eye's away from you.
Even when I copy and paste the question you refuse to answer the direct question about China.

Your mention of China was so vague that trying to figure out your meaning just isn't worth the effort. Especially considering that it is buried in a mire of run on sentences, half-formed insults, and rants about guns and "tuff guys.". When you finally crawl out of the swamp of proto-thought and put forth an actual argument, it may be addressed.

BTW, if you think China is good economic model for us to follow, I've got even more reason to rest my case.




You minor attempt of misdirection has failed.

Try English next time, please.



And you have just lost all credibility in the economic part of this thread. Any attempt from here just shows that I had to push and push to get you to respond. WTG!

My attempts to turn this into a recognizable form of English are in bold.

Nuku_Unu
10th August 04, 12:46 PM
Your mention of China was so vague that trying to figure out your meaning just isn't worth the effort. Especially considering that it is buried in a mire of run on sentences, half-formed insults, and rants about guns and "tuff guys.". When you finally crawl out of the swamp of proto-thought and put forth an actual argument, it may be addressed.

BTW, if you think China is good economic model for us to follow, I've got even more reason to rest my case.




Try English next time, please.



My attempts to turn this into a recognizable form of English are in bold.HAHAHA,, Is that all you have? Grammer/Spelling Nazi? Like I said any attempt at this point just makes you look like more of a dork. Its funny how you can pick apart my other posts (grammer spelling Nazi) but SURPRISE you skip the post ( that I even changed the text to RED so you couldnt miss it) once again about how we are getting screwed over by china and how you think thats a good thing! Face it you lost the argument and you should just walk away with your tale between your legs. Because the more you speak the more you eat your own foot. Want some salt?

Bukow
10th August 04, 04:09 PM
HAHAHA,, Is that all you have? Grammer/Spelling Nazi? Like I said any attempt at this point just makes you look like more of a dork. Its funny how you can pick apart my other posts (grammer spelling Nazi) but SURPRISE you skip the post ( that I even changed the text to RED so you couldnt miss it) once again about how we are getting screwed over by china and how you think thats a good thing! Face it you lost the argument and you should just walk away with your tale between your legs. Because the more you speak the more you eat your own foot. Want some salt?

What's a "tale?" And by the way: demanding that you at least observe standards of written communication so that you become intelligible is not quite the same as being a "grammAr Nazi."

1) Get this: If other countries sell products to us at below-cost, then guess who's subsidize those goods? THE CITIZENS OF THOSE COUNTRIES! If you want to sell me your $25k car for twenty dollars, I'm not going to complain. In fact, I'm going to buy as many as you have. So I forget: Who's getting ripped off?

2) You know nothing about economics or trade policy beyond the slogans you've heard from the likes of Pat Buchanan and Jesse Jackson. You've not answered any of the questions I've asked you, nor have you dealt with the logical end of your argument, i.e., that by closing avenues of production and trade, everyone is made worse off. Instead, you talk about .38's and "tales" and boardwalk magicians. WTF are you talking about, anyway?

Nuku_Unu
11th August 04, 07:34 AM
What's a "tale?" And by the way: demanding that you at least observe standards of written communication so that you become intelligible is not quite the same as being a "grammAr Nazi."

1) Get this: If other countries sell products to us at below-cost, then guess who's subsidize those goods? THE CITIZENS OF THOSE COUNTRIES! If you want to sell me your $25k car for twenty dollars, I'm not going to complain. In fact, I'm going to buy as many as you have. So I forget: Who's getting ripped off?

2) You know nothing about economics or trade policy beyond the slogans you've heard from the likes of Pat Buchanan and Jesse Jackson. You've not answered any of the questions I've asked you, nor have you dealt with the logical end of your argument, i.e., that by closing avenues of production and trade, everyone is made worse off. Instead, you talk about .38's and "tales" and boardwalk magicians. WTF are you talking about, anyway?

So even after pointing the post out numerous times coloring the text you should read in red you still avoid it with you dribble and misdirection. You should become a politician! Your arguments mean nothing when you continue to avoid the question over and over. You go ahead and continue to act all high and mighty. People already got your number. Go ahead keep going I think you can make it to your knee. I see you have gotten past eating your foot and are at your ankle.

Bukow
11th August 04, 10:52 AM
So even after pointing the post out numerous times coloring the text you should read in red you still avoid it with you dribble and misdirection. You should become a politician! Your arguments mean nothing when you continue to avoid the question over and over. You go ahead and continue to act all high and mighty. People already got your number. Go ahead keep going I think you can make it to your knee. I see you have gotten past eating your foot and are at your ankle.

I've answered your probing question -- "What about the situation with China?" -- as well as it can be answered without you being more specific; which you won't be, since you haven't the vaguest idea what you're talking about.

Second, repeatedly typing "HAHA OMFG I AM WINNING THE ARGUMENT!" and such doesn't mean you actually won any more than repeatedly typing "I AM NOT TEH COCKGOBBLER" makes you anything other than the knob-polishing subnormal you obviously are. Moreover, it has become tedious. So please resume your initial whine about how evil foreigners and conspiratorial corporations outsourced your $50k/year jizz mopping job.

Kwill
11th August 04, 11:19 AM
Very nice flame fest! We've been all getting along much too nicely lately.

Nuku_Unu
11th August 04, 12:47 PM
"I AM TEH COCKGOBBLER".The spelling Nazi screws up. You must kill yourself now. I thought you where the Hamburgerler but if you say so OK. From this day forward Bukow will be known as a COCKGOBBLER! Is that your name in City of Hero's?

Bukow
11th August 04, 12:49 PM
The spelling Nazi screws up. You must kill yourself now. As per your quote above oh come on its OK we all know your a COCKGOBBLER its OK I thought you where the Hamburgerler but if you say so OK. From this day forward Bukow will be known as a COCKGOBBLER!

The "teh" was on purpose. Just another old joke you're much too dim to appreciate. Do a google search on "teh win" and maybe you'll understand; but then again, probably not.

No wonder you fear competition -- there's probably a lot of other people who need SSI too.

Nuku_Unu
11th August 04, 12:51 PM
Oh ok, what ever COCKGOBBLER. So what does a COCKGOBBLER costume look like?

Bukow
11th August 04, 01:06 PM
Oh ok, what ever COCKGOBBLER. So what does a COCKGOBBLER costume look like?

....

You, sir, definitely possess one chromosome too many.

deadcat
11th August 04, 01:30 PM
You girls still arguing?

Nuku_Unu
11th August 04, 01:38 PM
You girls still arguing?
Ya I cant believe he hasn't given up yet he is worse then my first wife she would just argue for hours until I got tired of arguing and win by default the fucking bitch! LOL

Nuku_Unu
11th August 04, 01:47 PM
The "teh" was on purpose. Just another old joke you're much too dim to appreciate. Do a google search on "teh win" and maybe you'll understand; but then again, probably not.

No wonder you fear competition -- there's probably a lot of other people who need SSI too.
Oh so now your picking on the disabled, sheesh first it was the mentally challenged and now the handicapped. Whats next little people, blacks, jews, asian's? You sir are not only a cockgobbler but are just plane old asshole.

What the fuck google teh win returns more then ten pages how about a little more specific numbnut. That is how search engines work the more specific the less bullshit you have to sift through to find the answer.

There is your leason on internet use for today if you expect to pass this class you have to do better or at least send your wife to blow me if you want a passing grade. Oh wait I forgot your a cockgobbler no wife for you or are you on the Down Low?

Bukow
11th August 04, 02:16 PM
Ya I cant believe he hasn't given up yet he is worse then my first wife she would just argue for hours until I got tired of arguing and win by default the fucking bitch! LOL

Well... perhaps you should have been more understanding. After all, she was married to an asshat.

beck
11th August 04, 02:59 PM
Is it time for you guys to fuck and make up yet?

Bukow
11th August 04, 03:00 PM
Is it time for you guys to fuck and make up yet?

Tell ya what. You go ahead and do it for me, and then everyone can be friends again.

Kela
11th August 04, 03:01 PM
Making fun of the disabled again n00b? I've seen this before somewhere....

It doesn't even matter who is right and wrong in this thread...the clear winner is always the one who has mastered 4th grade spelling and grammar even if he were arguing that the moon is made of green cheese.

Bukow
11th August 04, 03:29 PM
Making fun of the disabled again n00b? I've seen this before somewhere....

It doesn't even matter who is right and wrong in this thread...the clear winner is always the one who has mastered 4th grade spelling and grammar even if he were arguing that the moon is made of green cheese.

Oh no! I'm a n00b! OMFG no <3 <3 <3!!!1!

I'm sorry if making fun of the disabled touches something deep within you. Then again, who hasn't?

Please go back to the rock you crawled out from under, and re-cover yourself.

joen00b
11th August 04, 03:31 PM
Oh, snap, Bukow!

Xesor
11th August 04, 05:00 PM
All this thread needs is some Buffy quotes, and it'd be almost like old times. :(

Chantress
11th August 04, 05:16 PM
The moon isnt made of Green Cheese?

Phrost
11th August 04, 05:20 PM
Whatever happened to Raadt, anyway?

Merauk
11th August 04, 06:07 PM
Whatever happened to Raadt, anyway?

Joined the Army I think.

Phrost
11th August 04, 06:16 PM
Smart kid.

Antec
11th August 04, 08:50 PM
Random picture

http://www.11oh1.net/albums/lj/bushvkerry.jpg

Kela
12th August 04, 12:24 PM
Oh no! I'm a n00b! OMFG no <3 <3 <3!!!1!

I'm sorry if making fun of the disabled touches something deep within you. Then again, who hasn't?

Please go back to the rock you crawled out from under, and re-cover yourself.

Not one single part of my post was in reference to you. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Xioxou
12th August 04, 03:48 PM
Woh woh! AVP is comming out soon isn't it? Akk must see that movie.
Best side scrolling action game ever. EVER!

Kiko
12th August 04, 03:56 PM
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/bubble.html

Zeta
13th August 04, 08:20 AM
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/bubble.html
Damn you!

Yiktin Voxbane
13th August 04, 09:25 AM
Spent all night going back to that GD Site...

/Thank Kiko

Kwill
13th August 04, 10:35 AM
So easily amused....

Zeta
13th August 04, 12:34 PM
So easily amused....

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I know you are not reading this.

Kwill
13th August 04, 02:25 PM
Someday I am going to find a bouncing penis avatar, see if I don't.

Chantress
13th August 04, 02:29 PM
You will have a VERY hard time finding one that is safe for work, but good luck. I also dont think it could be anywhere near as mezmerizing.

Kiko
13th August 04, 05:26 PM
Everyone likes playing with bubbles! <3 Zeta

Luko
13th August 04, 06:00 PM
lol my boss came out while I was popping the bubble wrap. She thought one of the high speed printer is breaking. She like you got t obe kidding me! After I told her I was playing on a bubble wrap website.

Raadt
13th August 04, 08:57 PM
Joined the Army? Yikes. Check your sources.

Actually, I graduated from Georgia Tech (you might have noticed my precise absence of 4 years) and I just moved to Charlotte. About to start my real job, joining all you suckers in the real world. Going to miss college, that's for damn sure . . ..

Still recognize a lot of names here. Anything earth-shattering happen while I was gone?

And finally, in keeping with the topic:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/05/kerry.mccain.ap/index.html

I heart John McCain.

Cheers,
- Raadt Blare
- The Coterie Nocturne, circa 1999
- Wizard in Spirit
- Whiny calendar guy

ps - You know, it actually took me a couple minutes to remember how I used to put my signature together. Had to do it for continuity's sake, if nothing else.

[Edit for Xesor - haha, you're right. I didn't notice you'd mentioned that earlier in the thread.]

Giles: "Demons after money. Whatever happened to the still-beating heart of a virgin? No one has any standards anymore."

Xesor
13th August 04, 09:33 PM
Where the hell is the Buffy quote?