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ICY
22nd November 04, 03:16 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/22/ukraine.ap/

With Russia already in the firm grasp of Putin and Belarus having all but rejoined Russia, a new Russian-led power-bloc in Eastern Europe would become all but certain if Yanukovych wins. This would mean that Russia is secure in turning away from democracy, and I think you all know how I'd feel about that :evil1:.

Boyd
22nd November 04, 01:55 PM
I don't care.

NextGuard
22nd November 04, 02:27 PM
I don't care.


I don't care directly, in the sense that they can have whatever kind of government the people choose.

But I'd hate to see a return to Russian dictatorship with the people oppressed and Russia opposing us around the world... especially since it would now be a capitalist dictatorship eliminating one huge advantage we had had before - that socialism is not efficient for economic production...its the same reason that china is now more powerful. They hold a trillion dollars worth of US bonds and could severely damage us by selling them suddenly.

ICY
22nd November 04, 06:15 PM
I think Russia will not oppose America or oppress its own people, I think that Putin is doing as good a job as can be expected and will probably make Russia prosperous enough that when he leaves office Russia will be rich enough to afford real democracy.


I don't care.

I don't care that you don't care.

Boyd
22nd November 04, 06:34 PM
If you think for one second I'm going to allow this thread to gay into a gayward spiral of "I don't care that you don't care that you don't care"s then you, my friend, are sorely mistaken.

ICY
22nd November 04, 06:36 PM
No, I didn't want that to happen, but I wanted to illustrate how silly it is to POST that you don't care...if we were in the same room and I brought up the subject and you said "I don't care." that's one thing...but here you could always just NOT POST.

NextGuard
24th November 04, 01:56 PM
Looks like this is turning into a big deal.... and may lead to a dispute with Putin. Hopefully his close friendship with President Bush will be helpful

>Powell: U.S. Rejects Ukraine Vote Results
Nov 24, 1:19 PM (ET)

By BARRY SCHWEID

(AP) U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell gestures during a press conference at the end of a two-day...
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Secretary of State Colin Powell said Wednesday the United States cannot accept the results of elections in Ukraine, which the opposition says was marred by fraud.

Powell warned "there will be consequences" for the United States' relationship with Ukraine as a result of the developments in the former Soviet bloc nation.

Powell spoke shortly after election officials in Ukraine declared that Kremlin-backed Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych won the election over opposition candidate Viktor Yushchenko. The announcement raised fears of violence in Kiev, where tens of thousands of demonstrators have been demanding that the results be overturned.<<
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041124/D86ID1LG0.html

ICY
24th November 04, 09:10 PM
Thankfully Powell is on his way out...dumbass, has to fuck stuff up on his way out the door.

Putin won't allow the opposition candidate into office...I think this will end in a victory for Yanukovich or Russian tanks in Kyev.

NextGuard
27th November 04, 04:48 PM
Thankfully Powell is on his way out...dumbass, has to fuck stuff up on his way out the door.

Putin won't allow the opposition candidate into office...I think this will end in a victory for Yanukovich or Russian tanks in Kyev.


If Russia were to invade Ukrane there would be trememndous pressure for us to send troops.

Ukraine's parliament rejects election results (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/27/ukraine/index.html)

>> (CNN) -- Ukraine's parliament has rejected the results of the country's presidential election and called for a new vote, nonbinding moves that indicate rising uneasiness with the standoff between the two candidates.

Lawmakers also voted to dissolve the country's Central Election Commission. Observers say Saturday's actions, though largely symbolic, could usher in new voting.

Ukraine's Central Election Commission declared Viktor Yanukovych the winner on Wednesday, but protests from Viktor Yushchenko and his supporters -- and international election observers -- began<<