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PeedeeShaolin
2nd October 04, 01:44 PM
In Israel's latest criminal activity in Gaza at least 7 Palestinians have been killed, bringing the death total to at least 40 since Wednesday.

Hamas has vowed to continue rocket attacks into the Israeli town of Sderot.

The U.S. has officially called on Israel to limit its offensive.

This is the first time in almost 2 years that Israel has entered the Jabaliya camp which is home to more than 100,000 people and is considered one of the most crowded places in the world.

This comes after US Christian volunteers were beaten and robbed by Jewish settlers for escorting Palestinian children to school.

"They threw a stone at my head which knocked me over and then whipped me with chains," Mr Brown said.

He said that Ms Lamberty had her passport, mobile phone and money stolen by the settlers.

He also said that harassment of Christian volunteers working with Palestinians in the area is common.

"They normally throw stones at us or fire their guns over our heads - but this is the most vicious assault so far."

Palestinians also complain of violent intimidation by Jewish settlers in the Hebron area.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3709948.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3709948.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3705784.stm

Deadpan Scientist
2nd October 04, 04:06 PM
Don't mess with the jews.

Judah Maccabee
2nd October 04, 11:23 PM
So... when someone is firing mortars and rockets and kills Ethiopian immigrant children in your country, you don't think it's right to send people over to stop when diplomatic efforts have failed?

There is a huge difference between settlers and soldiers. One are people living in legally questionable circumstances and likely to be evicted and transferred back within Israel, and the other are operating under one of the most moral codes of military conduct in the world.

On the other hand, HAMAS terrorists use children as shields:

http://samurai.cgdhosting.net/pal-militant-use-kids-cover-02.jpg

LOVED2BLOVED
3rd October 04, 11:17 AM
"operation apeshit"
thats strangely appropiate

SRK85
3rd October 04, 01:03 PM
Damnit cant we just have peace. This is all the UN's fault. Why doesnt the UN say something or do something about this mess.

PeedeeShaolin
3rd October 04, 01:07 PM
So... when someone is firing mortars and rockets and kills Ethiopian immigrant children in your country, you don't think it's right to send people over to stop when diplomatic efforts have failed?

Then again, my country isn't expanding its borders and stealing Palestinian land while killing as many as possible.

Anyone who wants can check n the # of Plaestinian deaths and the number of Israeli deaths and see for themselves whos the aggressor.

Jenfucius
3rd October 04, 01:08 PM
yes, the lack of gun control is really helping things in the middle east...NOT!!

Freddy
3rd October 04, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by samurai_steve
...Israel, and the other are operating under one of the most moral codes of military conduct in the world.


Actually the U.N. and Amnesty International has cited numerous human right violations by the Isreali military.

PeedeeShaolin
3rd October 04, 01:32 PM
and the other are operating under one of the most moral codes of military conduct in the world.

This is the most ignorant thing I've heard yet. You trury dont know what you're talking about, do you?

The UN has made a resolution condemning Israel's wall as a violation and even the U.S. didn't veto it.

Xango
3rd October 04, 05:10 PM
As many as possible, Peedee? Do you sincerely think that the Israelis couldn't kill, y'know, all of them? If they felt like it?

Oh, I forgot, you're a ridiculous troll. Sorry :rolleyes:

Jenfucius: What the Middle East needs is dynamite control...

Osiris
3rd October 04, 05:14 PM
The U.S. has officially called on Israel to limit its offensive.

How ironic.

As for the Israeli's wanting to kill them all, thats ridiclous. What the hell they call themselves doing, I don't know, but they're not gonna kill all of them or they would've done it.

Xango
3rd October 04, 05:46 PM
What they are doing at the moment is called "preparing to evacuate Gaza". Sharon is called the Bulldozer because of his willingness to bulldoze Jewish settlements, not Arab ones.

Their next move will be referred to as "the annexation of the West Bank."

Watch.

Judah Maccabee
3rd October 04, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
Then again, my country isn't expanding its borders and stealing Palestinian land while killing as many as possible.

Anyone who wants can check n the # of Plaestinian deaths and the number of Israeli deaths and see for themselves whos the aggressor.

First of all, regarding your "wall" comment, do you call a barrier which is 96% chain-link fence a wall? I give the benefit of a doubt with the neutral term "barrier." You don't. If I had snipers shooting at me on the expressway from rooftops, you're darned right I'd put up a wall just high enough so they couldn't shoot me, as in the case of Qalqilyah and Tulkarem. I agree the wall portion in E. Jerusalem is overly burdensome on the population there, and the Israeli Supreme Court has told the IDF and govt to reroute the fence.

Secondly, the ICJ issued a non-binding advisory opinion against Israel which essentially said that since Israel was not under attack by any NATIONAL force, they didn't have any right to claim self-defense, which is utter lunacy.

Thirdly, regarding casualties, 80% of all Israeli casualties are non-combatants. That means 4/5 people killed since the start of the Intifada are civilian targets, therefore, the targets of terrorism. Over half of the Palestinian casualties are combatants. Furthermore, the total number of casualties on the Palestinian side disingenuously include people who die in the commission of SUICIDE BOMBINGS and "collaborators" lynched by terrorists and militants in PA territories. See attachment below for more information.

Regarding the UN and Amnesty, no army is perfect. However, Israel is the only army in the world forbidden to utilize torture by its laws. It has arrested, prosecuted, and convicted soldiers who have crossed the line and committed crimes, including an Israeli Bedouin who was responsible for shooting Tom Hurndall, an ISM activist in a war zone during a firefight between Israeli and militant forces. Furthermore, Amnesty, like other organizations, exhibits a bias against Israel, minimizing the impact of suicide bombers and other attacks against the civilian population. More info available on request.

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http://tinypic.com/b9aj8

Freddy
3rd October 04, 08:28 PM
"Israel is the only army in the world forbidden to utilize torture by its laws" Yeah right!
Like other countries dont either.
(btw bias source of information)

Theres a term "SPIN DOCTOR" ever hear of it. How about "HISTORICAL REVISIONISM".

Freddy
3rd October 04, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by samurai_steve
Israel, and the other are operating under one of the most moral codes of military conduct in the world.

First its "Israel, and the other are operating under one of the most moral codes of military conduct in the world" Now its "Regarding the UN and Amnesty, no army is perfect." Sounds like apologist.

I would not be surprise of Isreali cover ups since after all tehy steal America's military secrets and sell it it to America's enemies. Or have we forgotten the recent spy incidents.

Hawkeye
3rd October 04, 09:15 PM
Why I support Isreal:

http://i.xanga.com/elstudioray/israelifemaletroops.jpg

I call dibs on the saucy blond in the front

Judah Maccabee
3rd October 04, 09:21 PM
Oh, recent spy incident? As in "unproven allegations of sharing sensitive information", which was downgraded from "Significant espionage network between Pentagon and Israel foiled"??? That is complete and utter crap. You had a 3rd-tier Catholic analyst who did who did his reservist duty in Tel Aviv, motivated by his own sympathies (severe hatred of Iran) that tried to give an unsolicited document of sensitive (but not classified) nature, which the Israeli person refused to accept.

Why would Israel need to steal America's "military secrets" when they co-research several initiatives, including anti-ballistic missile defense? Israel has the only currently-functional ABM system (the Arrow), the Tactical High Energy Laser (which can shoot down cruise missiles and other types of rockets), which it is co-developing with the US. Israeli technology (NICE) is currently defending Lady Liberty from attacks. Israeli UAV drones are doing US duties in numerous theatre operations, etc. Hell, Israel is one of SIX nations to be designated "major non-NATO ally", which gives it preferential treatment in defense trade. The only controversy that comes to mind regarding "military secrets" is when Israel was going to sell advanced radar technology to India, which the US didn't want since it would unbalance the region in terms of power struggle.

It's one thing to call a source "biased." You're saying that one of the foremost anti-terrorist organizations in the world is "biased?" You'll need to back your words up with proof, as I did. The website and subsequent graphs I created illustrate what I said prior. Unless you're like the doofy SJP Vice President at my school who claims that "any source from Israel is automatically biased", even when some of those sources supported his views!

Israel's Supreme Court has ruled torture as illegal, even in ticking timebomb situations. If they commit torture, it is against their country's laws, and the perpetrators should be arrested. Not even the United States has clear and explicit provisions forbidding torture or from bringing POWs to countries where torture is NOT illegal (Egypt, for example).

Hawkeye
3rd October 04, 09:24 PM
Steve, I'm just wondering but are you from Isreal? Being totally serious, I respect the hell out of that country and it's military

Judah Maccabee
3rd October 04, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Hawkeye
Steve, I'm just wondering but are you from Isreal? Being totally serious, I respect the hell out of that country and it's military

I'm not from the country.

I'm an advocate for the country, much for the same reasons you have and my own.

I have my issues with the country and some of its policies, even though I understand their (sometimes compelling) need. Even without the Palestinian conflict, there are bunches of issues that the country deals with, such as religious vs. secular, Ashkenazi vs. Sephardic, north vs. central/south, right wing vs left wing, etc.

Hawkeye
3rd October 04, 09:46 PM
Roger that, steve

CanuckMA
3rd October 04, 10:47 PM
Of couse, regarding the barier, notice that the EU has toned down it's criticism since hiring an Israeli form to design one for the EU's border with former EAstern European states.

Judah Maccabee
3rd October 04, 10:51 PM
Canuck, got any links on that? I have a file on international barriers being constructed across the world, and I'd like to see some info on that one.

Geijhan
4th October 04, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by CanuckMA
Of couse, regarding the barier, notice that the EU has toned down it's criticism since hiring an Israeli form to design one for the EU's border with former EAstern European states.

What? I have the feeling I would have heard SOMETHING about this if it were, you know, based on facts. Yes, I've done a bit of searching anyway and I've found quite a few articles referring to political, linguistic and economical walls and some nutcase at worldnetdaily.com who started spouting off about a physical wall and who gets quoted all over the place, especially on "anti-euro-nazi" pages.

Just like I would have heard something about the rather enormous tectonic activity that would be required to displace the "former" Eastern European states (newsflash: Poland et al are still physically located in Eastern Europe, even after joining the EU.). You can say "Former Warsaw pact states" if that's what you mean.

LOVED2BLOVED
4th October 04, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by Hawkeye
Why I support Isreal:

http://i.xanga.com/elstudioray/israelifemaletroops.jpg

I call dibs on the saucy blond in the front

the brunette at the back is mine!

Osiris
4th October 04, 08:12 AM
Those girls are ugly.

triple
4th October 04, 08:37 AM
It must be the uniform.

LOVED2BLOVED
4th October 04, 09:23 AM
definetly

Freddy
4th October 04, 04:45 PM
sorry guys

Freddy
4th October 04, 04:51 PM
.

Freddy
4th October 04, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by samurai_steve
Oh, recent spy incident? As in "unproven allegations of sharing sensitive information", which was downgraded from "Significant espionage network between Pentagon and Israel foiled"??? That is complete and utter crap. You had a 3rd-tier Catholic analyst who did who did his reservist duty in Tel Aviv, motivated by his own sympathies (severe hatred of Iran) that tried to give an unsolicited document of sensitive (but not classified) nature, which the Israeli person refused to accept.

Why would Israel need to steal America's "military secrets" when they co-research several initiatives, including anti-ballistic missile defense? Israel has the only currently-functional ABM system (the Arrow), the Tactical High Energy Laser (which can shoot down cruise missiles and other types of rockets), which it is co-developing with the US. Israeli technology (NICE) is currently defending Lady Liberty from attacks. Israeli UAV drones are doing US duties in numerous theatre operations, etc. Hell, Israel is one of SIX nations to be designated "major non-NATO ally", which gives it preferential treatment in defense trade. The only controversy that comes to mind regarding "military secrets" is when Israel was going to sell advanced radar technology to India, which the US didn't want since it would unbalance the region in terms of power struggle.



Who sold Patriot missile technology to China?
Who helped develop China's J-10 fighter avionic electronics?
How did (mysteriously) China get plans for the W88 nuclear device?
Who gave China python-3 missile technology? (aka PL-8 in China)

I just couldnt bother doing searches. There has been numerous incidents. Including stealing krytron cold cathode trigger tube used to detonate nuclear devices. etc.

http://www.rense.com/general32/its.htm

http://www.rense.com/Datapages/Israeldata.html
http://www.govsux.com/spy_file.htm
( you can search for yourself.)

Judah Maccabee
4th October 04, 07:10 PM
Your websites parrot unsubstantiated, libelous allegations of Israeli complicity in 9/11, dual lotyalties of Jews in government work, as well as Holocaust denial and revisionism. I'm not going to give them any credence if they can't place possibly critical and factual information separate from utter bullshit.

But to counter you:

Who gave America & the world cell phones?
Who gave America & the world instant messaging?
Who gave and gives America & the world some of the most cutting-edge research on diabetes, paralysis reversal, and other medical fields?
Who pioneered the methods in airline security that the US is implementing (albeit, improperly)?
Who regularly trains with the US Air Force in combat operations?
etc. etc. etc.

Freddy
4th October 04, 07:57 PM
Theres plenty of info over the net that impliments Isreali spying on America and giving military secrets to countries like China. Check out teh global security website or FBI annoucements.

These are facts:

Who sold Patriot missile technology to China?
Who helped develop China's J-10 fighter avionic electronics?
How did (mysteriously) China get plans for the W88 nuclear device?
Who gave China python-3 missile technology? (aka PL-8 in China)

The info can be found on American military intelligence analysis sites.

Freddy
4th October 04, 08:02 PM
Actual Canada leads the world in diabetes research so does in tele communications.
As for training with U.S. airforce it has been Britain and other NATO friendly countries.

Hawkeye
5th October 04, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Osiris
Those girls are ugly.

Dude, after a week in the field, you wouldn't kick any of those girls out of your poncho hooch. Besides, I bet they'd hurt ya in bed
:D

I wouldn't mind having the blonde one and the 2nd one from the left in a three way. I'm not sure even if I could survive that.

Judah Maccabee
5th October 04, 02:36 PM
Some pics from Israel, specifically the Golan Heights:

http://samurai.cgdhosting.net/Golan-1.gif

http://samurai.cgdhosting.net/Golan-2.gif

Jenfucius
5th October 04, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Xango
As many as possible, Peedee? Do you sincerely think that the Israelis couldn't kill, y'know, all of them? If they felt like it?

Oh, I forgot, you're a ridiculous troll. Sorry :rolleyes:

Jenfucius: What the Middle East needs is dynamite control...

nah, what they really need is rock control.

Ignorant
5th October 04, 08:32 PM
you will never have peace unless you walk the road to peace. when will us as human beings learn that you cannot go to war and expect the circle of violence to stop. The reason for this is because this path is almost impossible to follow, yet its a simple concept, violence begets violence.

Xango
5th October 04, 08:35 PM
yes, yes, you're right of course. Every war in history which was decisively concluded by victory of arms was just a fluke.

ashent
2nd November 04, 11:05 AM
Jenfucius writes:

"yes, the lack of gun control is really helping things in the middle east...NOT!!"

Interesting point... Consider that the argument pro-gun people use for unhindered gun ownership is that it provides citizens with a means of resisting tyranny. Total BS when you note the indisputable fact that the govt. will always be better armed than you anyway, and if it's not, *then* you're in real trouble. But also, Saddam Hussein's Iraq was one of the best-armed societies on the planet, w/ the govt. distributing AK-47s to all and sundry. And yet, if we are to believe the Bushies, it was also the worlds most egregious tyranny. The guns didn't help them, did it?

One more thing: for militant gun-owners in the U.S., tyranny means one thing and one thing only: any interference in their ability to own as many of whatever kinds of guns they want. That is the only part of the constitution they read. Arrest people for looking Arabic? Fine. Spy on people's library habits? Go ahead, they shouldn't be reading those big words anyway. But make it difficult for people to amass enough firepower to decimate Times Square at New Year's Eve? No way! That's interfering with my God-given freedom!

In spite of all that, I am ambivalent about gun control as many people conceive of it. I'm always biased toward more--not fewer--rights, and responsible gun ownership is one of these. But doesn't the govt. have as much right to regulate it as it does, say, motor vehicle use?