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Balloonknot
20th September 04, 02:57 PM
Boy, this war in Iraq sure is paying off huh guys? I mean who cares about the thousands who have died anyway. After all, we'll find those WMD any day now. It's gotta be worth it right? I know that I'm sleeping ever so safe and sound now that Uncle Saddam is locked up and looking for a razor blade. Now that Saddam is finally locked up, terrorism won't happen anymore and I guess this is all necessary because Saddam is a bad guy, and oh yeah, we're fighting a global war on terrorism too! What did Iraq do to us again? Oh yeah, Saddam was a bad man. I have to keep reminding myself of this just in case I get the idea that Iraq ever attacked us or something insane like that.

I sure hope Bush goes into Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Korea next. Why not? They don't like us either, and since we're fighing a "global war on terrorism" and 15 out of the 19 9/11 hijackers are from Saudi Arabia, we might as well kill a couple thousand more of our pimply-faced freshmeat cannon-flodder teenage soldiers! Isn't that the patriotic thing to do? Besides, oil flows in Saudi Arabia like Jack Daniels does in the hills of Tennesee! Oh wait a second, I forgot, SA is our FRIEND. I guess I'll have to take that part back. Well, at least we still got Iran, Syria, Korea, and a few more countries that don't believe in our way of life, or our comic book stories of Jesus Christ! Boy oh boy we've got some fun a head of us!!!

Who was it that said, "He who is not with me is against me!" - Oh yeah, that was that Italian dictator guy. Boy, he sure was a bad guy too. Kind of sounds like the US doesn't it? We sure don't like folks that don't believe in Jesus and Democracy. We've got a few thousand bombs with those heathens names on them too!!

There's nothing like the fresh scent of patriotism and bible-humping god-fearin phrases like "God told me too," or "Bring It On," or "Go Fuck Yourself" to get a few more thousand of our good old boys buried in a hole in some bumfuck desert. I just want to plant my flag in my front yard, buy a rifle, get out my army boots, and start picking off them camel-jockeying vermin right now! Who's with me? I'm sure I can bully thousands to stand up and fight for their country right? How could anybody not want to, remember these Iraqi's hate us and "our way of life!" They have got to be stopped. Stamped out, murdered, every woman, child and camel we can find!

Anyone who doesn't agree with these sentiments must be one of those damn long hair flag-burning peace loving pot smoking hippy degenerates. There UNAMERICAN I tell ya. UnAmerican! I'm just bummed out because I know if Bush had a couple of sons instead of brain-dead party girls itching to bust a nut, they would volunteer to fight in a war just like their daddy did. After all, it's the right and patriotic thing to do!

Dochter
20th September 04, 02:58 PM
I really really dislike you.

And I'm pretty damn liberal on most things.

Balloonknot
20th September 04, 03:02 PM
Very intelligent comment Doc. Did you think that up all by yourself?

Shuma-Gorath
20th September 04, 03:25 PM
http://individual.utoronto.ca/shumagorath/images/boredgrover.png

Balloonknot
20th September 04, 03:33 PM
I love it when people attack me. It fuels the fire!!!

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
MISSION MISCALCULATED
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE.

Bard of DorAr
20th September 04, 04:34 PM
That's not so much attacking you as people clicking in futility on your newest threads hoping you have SOMETHING non biased and new to say.. Then finding out that you're just spouting the same stuff you've been spouting for months if not years.

Here's the hint, when the Democrats start telling you you're a moron and need to shut up... It might be time to shut up .

Balloonknot
21st September 04, 11:46 AM
Actually, I thought this was one of my finest articles yet. I didn't even call someone a redneck hillbilly either.

Chupacabra
21st September 04, 11:47 AM
Do you do this on other message boards or just bullshido?

blankslate
21st September 04, 11:48 AM
Saddam Hussein can no longer terrorize the Iraqi people! Free Iraq! Free Iraq!

Balloonknot
21st September 04, 11:52 AM
Yeah, Iraq is real free. lol. Yes Chup, I'm all over the net. Someone's got to do the dirty work and I'm like a foot soldier.

Dochter
21st September 04, 12:07 PM
The majority of Iraq is certainly better off now than it was prior to the removal of Saddam. To say otherwise is either a huge lie or supreme ignorance.

The butcher of baghdad is no longer in charge.

Doesn't mean the situation isn't FUBAR.

PeedeeShaolin
21st September 04, 12:29 PM
The majority of Iraq is certainly better off now than it was prior to the removal of Saddam. To say otherwise is either a huge lie or supreme ignorance.

I'll say it:

Iraq is NOT better off now than it was prior to the removal of Saddam.


And for YOU to think otherwise is supreme ignorance.

Have you turned on the NEWS lately? The entire country is on the brink of civil war. There are beheadings, car bombs, dead kids, you name it. Iraq is at the worst violence I've seen in my lifetime and it will only get worse.

Every intelligence report coming out of the UK and the Pentagon depicts a dismal scene for the future of that country. Here, I'll give you one to read:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/16/us.iraq.ap/index.html

Those people are now in thw worst situation of their lives and it didn't ocur while "the Butcher" was in power.

I cant believe you actually use that term, unless you're trying to be funny. What TV program did you first hear that on? At least Hussein did what the U.S. couldnt do: keep stability in a notoriously unstable region.

The U.S. supported him through his worst atrocities, remember? We did that so he would keep control of our oil and provide it cheap. Now that he's gone its AMERICANS being killed instead of Iraqis.

By the way, the U.S. jails more people for non-violent offenses that Saddam Hussein ever did.

Balloonknot
21st September 04, 01:50 PM
Sometimes it seems to me that PeeDee and myself are the only voices of reason here. Everyone else is.....{insert lovely comment here}.

Dochter
21st September 04, 02:06 PM
You're an ass. The standard of living for the typical Iraqi is higher, more schools are opening etc.

Differentiate what constitutes news from reality. There is a huge instability and insurgency problems over much of Iraq. On an individual level things are better.


At least Hussein did what the U.S. couldnt do: keep stability in a notoriously unstable region.Ghengis Khan did the same over a much larger swath of land. Want to guess how he did it?



Having Saddam gone is a good thing. Whether we went about it correctly or for the right reasons is a different discussion. As is the failings of the current adminsistration to develop a coherent occupation and rebuilding plan. Don't kid yourself though Iraq is better off without Saddam.

Say whatever you want though, there have also been many that think Russia was better off during the Stalinistic USSR.

Dochter
21st September 04, 02:08 PM
Tito also unified a land of feuding groups. I guess they were better off with that tyrant too. (okay maybe in that case)

TylerDurden
21st September 04, 02:11 PM
How do you know the average Iraqi is better off Dochter? You make the claim with nothing to back it up except more claims. PeeDee at least has the US intel reports on his side.

blankslate
21st September 04, 02:15 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113759,00.html

Dochter
21st September 04, 02:17 PM
He has the intel reports on insurgency activities. There is a difference.

TylerDurden
21st September 04, 02:18 PM
Fox? The single most biased news source currently available in the world today? Ummm, how about no. Unless you can find a couple more neutral sources of information I wouldn't believe a thing fox says.

Balloonknot
21st September 04, 02:18 PM
Blankstate, please don't bring fox news here. They don't even try to be non-partisan.

Leodom
21st September 04, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by TylerDurden
Fox? The single most biased news source currently available in the world today? Ummm, how about no. Unless you can find a couple more neutral sources of information I wouldn't believe a thing fox says.

Yeah as opposed to that bastion of impartiality, CBS News.:rolleyes:

Chupacabra
21st September 04, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Balloonknot
Blankstate, please don't bring fox news here. They don't even try to be non-partisan.

name 1 of your source that is non-partisan

inde
21st September 04, 02:24 PM
Anymore of this and I'll send you to Trollshido! Consider yourselves warned!

Ronin
21st September 04, 02:25 PM
LOL !!!
That's worse than me posting "ass wipe" on every thread !

Dochter
21st September 04, 02:31 PM
Since Saddam was removed
The first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty.

Over 60 000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

Nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

The Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.
On Monday, October 6, power generation hit 4,518 megawatts-exceeding the pre-war average.

All 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

By October 1, Coalition forces had rehabbed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than their target.

Teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

All 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

Doctors' salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam.

Pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.

The Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccination doses to Iraq's children.

A Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals. They now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

We have restored over three-quarters of pre-war telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production.

There are 4,900 full-service connections. We expect 50,000 by January first.

The wheels of commerce are turning. >From bicycles to satellite dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns.

95 percent of all pre-war bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1... Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

The central bank is fully independent.

Iraq has one of the world's most growth-oriented investment and banking laws.

Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.

Satellite dishes are legal.

Foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and other government spies.

There is NO Ministry of Information.

There are more than 170 newspapers.

You can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

Foreign journalists and everyone else are free to come and go.

A nation that had not one single element--legislative, judicial or executive--of a representative government, does.

In Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city

Today in Iraq, chambers of commerce, businesses, schools and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government.

The Iraqi government regularly participates in international events. Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

For the first time in 35 years, in Karbala, thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

The Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to his zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games...murdering critics.

Children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government.

Political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

Millions of long suffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

cyrijl
21st September 04, 02:36 PM
though dochtor and i disagree on many things (well not really),..he's got the facts...

Dochter
21st September 04, 02:38 PM
Just to reiterate for the people in the short bus.
Originally posted by Dochter
Having Saddam gone is a good thing. Whether we went about it correctly or for the right reasons is a different discussion. As is the failings of the current adminsistration to develop a coherent occupation and rebuilding plan. Don't kid yourself though, Iraq is better off without Saddam.

garbanzo
21st September 04, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Dochter

Over 60 000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

The Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

Millions of long suffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

You can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner

We have restored over three-quarters of pre-war telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production.




Doc:

You're my boy.

This is sacrcasm, right?

Dochter
21st September 04, 02:49 PM
Actually I think that while our president is criminally culpable (opinion) for how a case was made for invasion I also am pretty damn sure that Iraq is better off now than it was under Saddam.

We have a long history of blasting the shit out of countries and then making them fiscally and infrastructuraly (is that a word) better.

Saddam should have been removed by Bush I.

garbanzo
21st September 04, 02:51 PM
I can't think of one country that we blasted into a democracy when there was not a history of middle class capitalism and some degree of democracy in their history.

Dochter
21st September 04, 02:53 PM
Didn't say that.

And there was a middle class in Iraq.

Zendetta
21st September 04, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Balloonknot
Very intelligent comment Doc. Did you think that up all by yourself?

No, I told him to say that.

garbanzo
21st September 04, 02:53 PM
I know.

But that's the problem as I see it.

cyrijl
21st September 04, 02:56 PM
ppl seem to forget there was already a un resolution and that there was a ceasefire in place not a truce.

garbanzo
21st September 04, 03:03 PM
Cyrijl:

Can you elaborate?

Not sure where you are going with this.

cyrijl
21st September 04, 03:06 PM
oops wrong thread.

Balloonknot
21st September 04, 03:14 PM
cyrijl forgot his meds again today guys.

cyrijl
21st September 04, 03:14 PM
Actually i have been blinded by your idiocy.

Balloonknot
21st September 04, 03:17 PM
Good one. Now go upstairs to the kitchen and ask mommy to give you your meds. We all know what happens when your not medicated now don't we.

cyrijl
21st September 04, 03:27 PM
Wow you have used the meds thing on a few threads...does that mean it is funny now?

Balloonknot
21st September 04, 03:29 PM
yes, and you still need to take care of your business.

Zendetta
22nd September 04, 06:40 PM
Was this BK's last post before being banned?

The end of an Era...

The Mad Hatter
22nd September 04, 08:08 PM
I share opinions with people on both sides of this fence. I think that there have been many improvements in Iraq, and many Iraqi people are better off than they were under Saddam's regime.

I also believe that this is the most violent time in Iraq's history since Saddam seized power in the first place. What did we expect?!

With as many different ethinc groups in Iraq (Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites) did we REALLY expect everyting to go smoothly? These people HATE each other as much as the Palastinians hate Isreal. Did we expect them to be happy at Saddam's removal that they would forget hundred of years of hatred and come out to greet each other shaking hands? If we did, than our view and comprehension of world affairs is terribly naive.

Freddy
23rd September 04, 11:12 AM
To be honest. This is my opinion. The Bush administration did see it comming ( Ibeleive it was only recently they admitted they didnt see it comming).

Sadly it was evil Saddam who was the glue that held Iraq together.

cyrijl
23rd September 04, 11:23 AM
most transitions from tyranny to democracy are bloody and violent.

U.S. (ok maybe not tyranny, but tazes at least)
France (french revolution)
England (civil war)
Haiti (though still a mess)
Iraq
South Africa
Afghanistan
Cambodia (eh....working on it)