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cyrijl
14th September 04, 01:41 PM
....for giving north korea the bomb.

Ms. Albright, I can't thank you enough for giving an insane madman the plans and materials to blow up california. I never liked that state anyways. "Oh, they're cheating?" (see albright appearance on MEET THE PRESS for further evaluation). Who would have thought N.Korea could be deceptive.

And finally to you, you little dirty peanut farmer. Who better to arrange for the destruction of california than Mr. Carter. Nope, i don't mean Jay-Z, i mean good ol' jimmy who brokered the N.Korea nuke deal.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

PeedeeShaolin
14th September 04, 02:50 PM
Wasn't it the USA that invaded Korea and killed millions of them, not the other way around?

When has N. Korea ever bombed the US?

Why would they suddenly start now, especially when they know it means instant death?

SRK85
14th September 04, 04:19 PM
Blame CLinton fuck you dude blame Bush for startng a war in Iraq and ignoring the North Korean crisis. I dont understand Bush's foreign policy.Ok im confused we say we went into Iraq to stop Saddam from devloping or releasing WMDs. However North Korea has nukes but the Bush administration said" In north korea we can still use diplomacy. But Bush and his aides will not have one on one meetings with the North Koreans. And now Bush is pulling troops of of South Korea this is a dangerous situation beacuse the North Koreans could easily trample over South Korea. So in all we have to stop focusing on the middle east and focus on more dangerous regions around the world. By the way we can stop terrorism by making Plaenstine a real country. Also how does Kerry feel on the North Korean nuclear crisis?

katana
14th September 04, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
Why would they suddenly start now, especially when they know it means instant death?

Because that country is run by a weirdo. I'd like to use a more academically compelling word, but honestly that's the only way you can describe North Korea's leadership. They're just plain nuts. I don't mean this from the typical "I disagree with their ideology so they're nuts" argument. I mean the leaders of the country do truly bizarre things. From kidnapping Japanese citizens decades ago to strange and random accusations of "provocation" today.

Why are you defending North Korea anyway? They're just another shithole communist regime except they sell missile and nuclear weapon technology to everyone. They have done many things to their neighbors to instigate problems over the years (even overlooking the Korean conflict). From making threatening statements to the South to test launching missles over Japanese airspace (http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,855251,00.html).

Hawkeye
14th September 04, 06:00 PM
I learned to hate Klinton. But as much as I despise the man, I hope he fully recovers from his heart surgery

Deadpan Scientist
14th September 04, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by SRK85


It's called a paragraph.

cyrijl
14th September 04, 06:05 PM
1-The USA did not invade NKorea or kill millions of them. But it is funny that you think that.
2-North Korea's leader is notoriously off his rocker
3-You can't defend clinton by attacking bush. I am sorry if you have to resort to swearing at me becuase you have nothing intelligent to say about the matter. I am sorry if you pea-sized brain can't fathom that both parties are doing nothing. If you read what i wrote it had nothing to do with bush or kerry. Clinton's role in this is already documented.
4-We are re-distributing troops because they are not as well welcomed in Korea as they used to be. But, you seem to not want the us anywhere the republicans want but instead to go to all of these other places. That is a little under-informed. We do not belong in S.Korea or Okinawa
5-Where do you suppose we make a 'palestinian state'? How about you give up your home and town and make one there? Are you aware of all the refugees across the middle east which would flood back to a 'palestinian state' and the problems that would create? ARe you aware that the right of return for refugees written by the UN exempts the paletinians from it?
Do you know how and when the border's were drawn in the middle east and who drew them and why?

SRK85
14th September 04, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
It's called a paragraph.

Lol sorry I dont believe in paragraphs.

SRK85
14th September 04, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by cyrijl
1-The USA did not invade NKorea or kill millions of them. But it is funny that you think that.
2-North Korea's leader is notoriously off his rocker
3-You can't defend clinton by attacking bush. I am sorry if you have to resort to swearing at me becuase you have nothing intelligent to say about the matter. I am sorry if you pea-sized brain can't fathom that both parties are doing nothing. If you read what i wrote it had nothing to do with bush or kerry. Clinton's role in this is already documented.
4-We are re-distributing troops because they are not as well welcomed in Korea as they used to be. But, you seem to not want the us anywhere the republicans want but instead to go to all of these other places. That is a little under-informed. We do not belong in S.Korea or Okinawa
5-Where do you suppose we make a 'palestinian state'? How about you give up your home and town and make one there? Are you aware of all the refugees across the middle east which would flood back to a 'palestinian state' and the problems that would create? ARe you aware that the right of return for refugees written by the UN exempts the paletinians from it?
Do you know how and when the border's were drawn in the middle east and who drew them and why?

Well lol heres another Palentine-Israel agrument. Just allow the Palenstians to elect a leader that has no ties to terrorism and let the Palentstians have their own country without war and desturction. And for the Koreans not liking out troops. Well didnt some of serviemen run over a couple Koreans.

punchingdummy
14th September 04, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by cyrijl
1-The USA did not invade NKorea or kill millions of them. But it is funny that you think that.

Technically, PeeDee is correct. He just forgets to mention the context (that the North initiated a war with the south and the UNITED NATIONS stepped in to give NK an ass-kicking).

cyrijl
14th September 04, 09:35 PM
Technically, PeeDee is correct. He just forgets to mention the context (that the North initiated a war with the south and the UNITED NATIONS stepped in to give NK an ass-kicking). You do realize that is a big fucking different situaiton than what PD said right? Technically he is wrong. The UN action is alot different than a US invasion.


SRK85 i am not even going to argue with your ignorance. You are just so stupid i can't even deal with it.

Deadpan Scientist
14th September 04, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by SRK85
Lol sorry I dont believe in paragraphs.

obviously

Deadpan Scientist
14th September 04, 09:40 PM
SRK85, come real close to the monitor








a little closer













KIAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.jonfoo.co.uk/jon%20foo%20fire%20punch.jpg

Deadpan Scientist
14th September 04, 09:50 PM
sorry to those of you who put your face too close to the monitor. Some ice will help that

Chris.B
14th September 04, 10:03 PM
GREAT! Just great, now I got blood all over the carpet. Thanks a lot.

Deadpan Scientist
14th September 04, 10:13 PM
You should read more carefully

Dralion
15th September 04, 09:44 AM
Blowback by Chalmers Johnson devotes two chapters to Korea (one to each).

This is also, IMHO, a good book to understand what's happening in the Middle East, especially Iraq and Afghanistan.

Now to understand the underlying forces, you need to pick up Noam Chomsky's Hegemony Or Survival.

cyrijl
15th September 04, 09:59 AM
lol on chomsky

Ronin
15th September 04, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
SRK85, come real close to the monitor








a little closer













KIAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.jonfoo.co.uk/jon%20foo%20fire%20punch.jpg

Sweet !!!
*puts steak on black eye*

WingChun Lawyer
15th September 04, 10:09 AM
Quite frankly, I canīt even blame Bush for the North Korean problem. Those guys could probably wipe out South Korea and a decent part of Japan with conventional weaponry alone, the only way to deal with them is negotiation, AND they have a nutcase as a dictator.

PeedeeShaolin
15th September 04, 01:47 PM
lol on chomsky

You do understand that in a historical debate Noam Chomsky wouldn't even have the patience to sit in front of you, right?

He might have a weeeee bit more historical and political undertanding than yourself. Just a wild guess.

PeedeeShaolin
15th September 04, 01:48 PM
And thank Mr. Bush for pulling all those troops from the N. Korean border as reported by the Associated Press.

PeedeeShaolin
15th September 04, 01:51 PM
-G.W. Bush re:Kim Jong and North Korea.

This has got to be the STUPIDEST thing that George W. Bush has said since taking office, considering he himself gave a DEADLINE to a dictator in Iraq not that long ago.

This is the same dipshit that wants to remove 5,000 troops from the North Korean border while they are ADMITTEDLY working on a nuclear programe and are part of the "Axis of Evil".


The stupidest man ever to sit in office.

CaptShady
15th September 04, 01:52 PM
What's this?!??!!?

PeedeeShaolin
15th September 04, 01:58 PM
.....I feel like Shady is a mime comedian trying to get me to punchline his joke for him.

Whats what?

CaptShady
15th September 04, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
.....I feel like Shady is a mime comedian trying to get me to punchline his joke for him.

Whats what?


Originally posted by PeedeeShaolin
And thank Mr. Bush for pulling all those troops from the N. Korean border as reported by the Associated Press.

cyrijl
15th September 04, 02:09 PM
Chomsky has gone off his rocker with conspiracy theory. He is not even reasonable anymore. He makes endless associations the relations of which he makes inferences from which may or may not exists. He is hardly someone you would call objective. Quoting or relying on chomsky is like relying on buchanon.

PeedeeShaolin
15th September 04, 02:13 PM
Dude....I made a whole post about it because Bush made his now FAMOUS line, that the press didnt cover,

You don't gove a deadline to a dictator.

When that was the EXACT FUKKING THING this IMBECILE did with Iraq.

I'll conjure up an article for you(I'm surprised you didn't know about this, although the press sucks)

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/27/145503.shtml

http://www.showmenews.com/2003/Jun/20030606News023.asp

PeedeeShaolin
15th September 04, 02:14 PM
He is hardly someone you would call objective. Quoting or relying on chomsky is like relying on buchanon.

Since you know this, please show us some wacky Chomsky quotes that you can prove have no merit. Have you read any of his books or do you get this from other peoples opinions of his books that you havent read?

(right now he's googling "I hate Chomsky to come up with something.)

cyrijl
15th September 04, 02:30 PM
Plans are being made on the assumption that they may lead to the death of several million people. Very casually, with no comment and with no particular thought about it. It looks like what is happening is some sort of silent genocide

http://semiskimmed.net/misc/chomsky_genocide.html
http://jim.com/chomsdis.htm

Like i've said a billion times before. Points can be made with juxtaposition and interpreting thel inks, though the ends of the links appear to be free standing. There is a difference between realizing chomsky is a great prolific thinker and realizing he has an agenda and a dim view of the US. He would not be my point man to prove my points.

cyrijl
15th September 04, 02:39 PM
btw i actually have read some chomsky articles, gone to listen to him speak and have some of his cd's

katana
15th September 04, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by cyrijl
btw i actually have read some chomsky articles, gone to listen to him speak and have some of his cd's

I've got one better. A good friend of mine had him as her advisor for her advanced degree in school. She got into a massive argument with him over his positions and ended up not finishing with him. She can't stand him.

I used to own several of Chomsky's books but eventually threw them out after I got into an argument with a professor at school who was a real Chomsky-head. I disagreed with his position on capitalism and other matters and he gave me a lower grade on the final as a result. He said I could get the higher grade in the class (an A versus a B) if I re-wrote the essay to fit his and Chomsky's view. I refused and told him to take a hike.

Chomsky has some good points, but he's also a perpetual whiner and classic never-held-a-real-job socialist.

cyrijl
15th September 04, 03:44 PM
It is always easy to criticize from academia. Which is why i decided not to continue on the path i was on. I actually started MA's because i got so sick of weak whiny pseudo-intellectuals.


--edited for piss-poor spelling

Ronin
15th September 04, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by cyrijl
It is always easy to criticize form academia. Which is why i decided not to continueo n the path i was on. I actually started MA's because i got so sick of weak whiny pseudo-intellectuals

Damn you're in the wrong place !! :p

cyrijl
15th September 04, 03:50 PM
Nah, ppl here are only intellectuals in a second capacity (i hope).

Hawkeye
15th September 04, 04:26 PM
Chomsky may have a few valid points and I've browsed through some of his shit and read some of his blog stuff on some site but he's still a zero in my eye. He's just another whiny pussy.

Hawkeye
15th September 04, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by cyrijl
It is always easy to criticize from academia. Which is why i decided not to continue on the path i was on.

Hey cyrijl did ya go to school somewhere in Boston? Just wondering.

Deadpan Scientist
15th September 04, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by katana
I used to own several of Chomsky's books but eventually threw them out after I got into an argument with a professor at school who was a real Chomsky-head. I disagreed with his position on capitalism and other matters and he gave me a lower grade on the final as a result. He said I could get the higher grade in the class (an A versus a B) if I re-wrote the essay to fit his and Chomsky's view. I refused and told him to take a hike.


What kind of shitty school did you go to?

Also "advanced degree" you wouldn't be fibbing to us now would you katana?

katana
16th September 04, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by brandeissansoo What kind of shitty school did you go to?

University of Maryland. It was a sociology class that studied the impact of language on cultural development, etc. The argument specifically was about capitalism and the US Constitution. I had been reading some of Chomsky's books based on the professor's recommendations. I mentioned that I thought some of the points were valid (Chomsky's _Deterring_Democracy_ and others) but that he complained too much and offered no solutions. I also objected to Chomsky's romanticizing various socialist regimes around the world for comparison. The discussion soon degraded from there. Let's just say this didn't please the teacher, but I did get a B on the essay which kept me from getting the A in the class. When I met to discuss this with him he offered that if I changed my essay a bit to reflect more of his teaching it would become an A. Since I thought he was wrong I refused to change it and took the lower grade. I was graduating anyway so I didn't care.

This wasn't the first professor I ran across with distinctly Marxist leanings. I don't think this is too uncommon, although my refusal to swallow the dogma probably caught him off guard.

BTW. Marx was an idiot. His ideology is flawed because it completely discounts human nature and the desire of some members of society to control others. It will never work yet people continue to study this rubbish.


Also "advanced degree" you wouldn't be fibbing to us now would you katana?

No I'm not lying. It's hard to make up something as bizarre as her story. She was at MIT pursuing her masters when it happened. The reason I even know about it was we were discussing _Brave_New_World_ and I mentioned something about Noam Chomsky. I'd post more details but that's probably not appropriate for an Internet forum and isn't my main point anyway.

So what is my point? Chomsky is just another academic socialist who has never had a real job. I don't understand why people pay so much attention to him.

Deadpan Scientist
16th September 04, 12:41 AM
Being a professor is a real job?

katana
16th September 04, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
Being a professor is a real job?

EDIT: Changed my comments.

No I don't consider what Chomsky does as being real job. If I did consider it a real job, it would be a job in linguistics which still makes him unqualified to comment on capitalistic endeavors.

Dralion
16th September 04, 07:05 AM
I've read "The Trilogy": Prosperous Few and Restless Many, Secrets Lies and Democracy, What Uncle Sam Really Wants, 9-11, and the afformentioned Hegemony or Survival.

I think the problem is that many peoples opinions of Chonsky are based on what the hear from CEO-controlled media (AM-Radio, FOX, etc).

katana
16th September 04, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Dralion
I've read "The Trilogy": Prosperous Few and Restless Many, Secrets Lies and Democracy, What Uncle Sam Really Wants, 9-11, and the afformentioned Hegemony or Survival.

I think the problem is that many peoples opinions of Chonsky are based on what the hear from CEO-controlled media (AM-Radio, FOX, etc).

Like I said I've read several of his books and thought the documentary "Noam Chomsky - Distorted Morality: America's War on Terror?" had very good points. At the end of the day though, people need to realize that he fundamentally believes in a very different form of government from what capitalist societies provide. So for someone like me I find his opinions interesting, but ultimately serve to put forward a form of governemnt that most people would not want if presented to them. Chomsky considers himself an anarchist/libertarian socialist (but frequently reads like a classic socialist) which you can read more about here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

Interview with Chomsky here:

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/rbr/noamrbr2.html

He argues the subtleties that he's not really a socialist, but if you read about this more you can see several things that appear to be great, but ultimately will fail for the same reason all socialist systems fail: Humans are not all the same. Power vacuums will appear, people will fight over possessions, and some people want to control others and take what they have. So until human nature evolves to the point where these (and many other) character traits disappear, I just think it's silly to push for forms of government that have proven to completely dissolve into despotic regimes when they follow this path.

Lastly, even if Chomsky denies that he is a true socialist, many of the readers of his works are socialists and highly regard his work. This leaves open all manner of mis-interpretation of his philosophy to people who present a very dangerous and thoroughly disproven way of thinking. This reason alone is enough for me to not support him.

Capitalism has its warts and nobody denies that. I just feel that what Chomsky puts forward as a better way of doing things is much worse.

cyrijl
16th September 04, 09:50 AM
Actually i went to BC. I got a bach and master's in philosophy and am working on a masters in linguistics...