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PeedeeShaolin
14th August 04, 02:25 PM
So far, more than 4,000 scientists, including 48 Nobel prize winners have signed a declaration condemning the Bush administration for misusing, suppressing and distorting scientific advice.


Last November, President Bush (news - web sites) gave physicist Richard Garwin a medal for his "valuable scientific advice on important questions of national security." Just three months later, Garwin signed a statement condemning the Bush administration for misusing, suppressing and distorting scientific advice.

According to the associated press and the scientists thrmselves, this is the first time a broad spectrum of the scientific community has expressed opposition to a president's overall science policy.

Meanwhile scientific advocacy groups have released a huge list of scientific abuses by the administration.


But signers of the declaration include scientists with ties to both Republican and Democratic administrations: Lewis Branscomb, a Harvard University professor, headed the federal Bureau of Standards in the Nixon administration. Russell Train was director of the Environmental Protection Agency (news - web sites) under Presidents Nixon and Ford and supported George H. W. Bush during the 1988 presidential campaign. Physicists Neal Lane and John Gibbons were both science advisers to President Clinton (news - web sites).

Interesting article and worth reading in full.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=9&u=/ap/20040814/ap_on_sc/bush_scientists

ICY
14th August 04, 02:46 PM
In the past...scientists and science organizations have...piped up to oppose...Ronald Reagan.


science advocacy groups...alleged scientific abuses


"People are shocked by what's going on," said Kurt Gottfried...chairman of the Union of Concerned Scientists, which has been in the vanguard of the campaign against the administration's science policy...generally...political, the group...has...taken liberal positions, such as opposition to nuclear weapons.


Administration officials dismiss the scientists' concerns as misguided and accuse them of playing politics of attempting to undermine Bush administration policies by claiming they are based on bad science.


"I don't like to see science exploited for political purposes, and I think that's happening here," presidential science adviser John H. Marburger III said in a telephone interview.


signers of the declaration include scientists with ties to...Democratic administrations: Physicists Neal Lane and John Gibbons were both science advisers to President Clinton

PeedeeShaolin
14th August 04, 02:49 PM
What do YOU disagree with? Do you know something that the 48 Nobel Prize winners do not?

You're thumbing your nose at some pretty qualified people. Its not like they're hippies who want to save the trees or anything.

Stick
14th August 04, 02:49 PM
Nifty.

PeedeeShaolin
14th August 04, 02:52 PM
Gerald T. Keusch, associate dean for global health at Boston University, says he resigned as director of the National Institute of Health's Fogarty International Center last year after the administration shot down 19 of his 26 picks for advisory positions.


He said one candidate was turned down because she had served on the board of a nonprofit organization dedicated to international reproductive health, another because she supported a woman's right to an abortion.

"I was hopping mad," Keusch said.

Dr. D.A. Henderson, a biological weapons expert, said that when President Bush's father chose him for the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, it didn't matter that he was a Democrat and that his wife was president of Planned Parenthood (news - web sites) of Maryland. All that counted was his expertise.

"I can't imagine that happening today," said Henderson, although he has worked in the last three administrations and now advises the Secretary of Health and Human Services (news - web sites).

ICY
14th August 04, 02:52 PM
I just felt like quoting the article out of context as much as possible to bug you, hehehe.

I agree to an extent...for instance, on embryonic stem cells. But I think this is a very minor issue AND that Kerry wouldn't do much better on this issue.

PeedeeShaolin
14th August 04, 02:53 PM
Do you believe the part where they said:

"At this very moment, some of our most pioneering cures and treatments are right at our fingertips, but because of the stem cell ban, they remain beyond our reach," Kerry said in an Aug. 7 radio address, two days before the anniversary.

They make it sound like its right around thew corner, but I doubt thats the case....

PeedeeShaolin
14th August 04, 02:58 PM
John Kerry:

Elect me and I will advance stem cell research and cure cancer, AIDS, the crabs, ebola and alzheimers.....

PeedeeShaolin
14th August 04, 02:58 PM
He didnt really say that, although its only a matter of time.

ICY
14th August 04, 03:06 PM
Well, there's no actual ban...except mabye a ban on federal funding. I don't know if it's right around the corner, although there's no reason it ought not to be.

PeedeeShaolin
14th August 04, 03:11 PM
Now I have to be the one to bash Kerry here? He certainly makes it sound like the benefits of stem cell research will be drastic and immediate.

BTW I just got OutFoxed: Rupert Murdoch's war on journalism.

Its a gread documentary with too many former FOX producers to count revealing all the dirty secrets. Mike Wallace gives his feedback also. Its pretty good. I think its still the top selling DVD on Amazon.com right now.

Liberals should REALLY pay attention because if an untra-conservative news agency was able to pull of this kind of propoganda publically then an ultra-left wing group could do the same.

Not that this has anything to do with the subject at hand.....

Balloonknot
14th August 04, 03:42 PM
PeeDee, I think this article is relevant to your topic. This is what I've been saying all along

Balloonknot
14th August 04, 03:43 PM
Today's question: What do you get when more than 60 of the world's top scientists, 20 Nobel Laureates among them, get together and write one of the most scathing, damning reports in the history of modern science, aimed squarely at BushCo's thoroughly atrocious record of cover-ups and obfuscations and outright lies regarding the health of the planet?
What do you get when those very scientists, a highly respected, nonpartisan group called the Union of Concerned Scientists, go on to claim that no other president in modern history has so openly misled the public or been so flagrantly disrespectful of scientific fact and mountains of irrefutable research, deliberately and systematically mutilating scientific data in the service of its rather brutal, pro-corporate, antienvironment agenda?
If you answered, "Why, you get even more painful polyps of sadness and disgust on your soul due to the BushCo onslaught," consider yourself among the millions who are right now rather horrified and appalled and who are wondering just what sort of human -- not what sort of politician, mind you, not what sort of power broker, not what sort of failed Texas oilman corporate lackey -- but what sort of human being you have to be to enact such insidious ongoing planet-gouging legislation, smirking and shrugging all the way.
It is not an easy one to answer, as you can only wonder what has gone so horribly wrong, what sort of line has been crossed so that not even the basic dignity of the planet, not even a modicum of respect for it, is the slightest factor anymore in modern American right-wing politics. What, too extreme? Hardly.
The story about the scientist's report is here. It was broadcast over many major media channels, somewhat loud and mostly clear, though most media was far more eager to bury it under all those more hotly controversial pics of happy gay people smooching on the steps of S.F.'s city hall than they were to trumpet the dire claims of a bunch of boring genius scientists.
Such is the national priority. After all, no one wants to hear how badly we've been duped by this administration, again. Given the nonexistent WMDs and the complete lack of Iraqi nukes and the bogus wars and manufactured fear and a galling budget deficit and nearly 3 million lost jobs and a raft of BushCo lies so thick you need a jackhammer to see some light, no one wants to know that even the world's top scientists are disgusted with our nation's leadership.
We can, after all, take only so much abuse, can be only so karmically and ideologically hammered, before we become so utterly exhausted that we just stop caring.
And, in fact, BushCo would love nothing more than to cripple our outrage and deflect attention away from all the dead U.S. soldiers in Iraq and his overall atrocious record on the war, jobs, the environment and foreign policy, and center it all on divisive issues of God-centric moral righteousness, like all those sicko gay people trying to dignify their sinful love.
This is a president, after all, who truly believes he is doing God's will by turning this country into the most lawless, internationally loathed aggressor on the planet, something I'm sure is very reassuring to those countless thousands of dead Iraqi civilians.
Does it really matter anymore? After all, as any child can tell you, politics has always been a wildly corrupt and slimy profession, valued somewhere between professional wrestler and professional baby-seal clubber on the moral and spiritual scale o' delicious karmic significance.
And, yes, it must be noted that there isn't a U.S. president on record who hasn't somehow deliberately mangled scientific data and covered up important reports during his term in order to further favored policies. Goes almost without saying.
But, as the Union of Concerned Scientists point out, never has the oppression of fact been so systematic, so widespread, so repulsive as that which Bush has wrought. Never has the abuse been so flagrant, the border marking what's morally acceptable so shamelessly crossed.
Maybe you don't believe the hippie environmentalists who are always spouting off about saving the whales and protecting the forests. Maybe you like to hiss at and dismiss, say, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s outstanding, powerfully researched articles in the recent issue of Rolling Stone and the latest issue of The Nation that carefully delineate just how Bush's enviro record is the worst in history, and call Kennedy just another typical left-wing liberal. You wish to be that small and boorish? Fine.
Not so easy, however, to dismiss a small army of nonpartisan, internationally respected scientists as just more agenda-thick political BS, as BushCo has done. To do so reeks of something far beyond mere name calling and dumb party maneuvering. It reeks of sheer heartlessness regarding the planet. It reeks of abuse. It reeks of hate.
This, then, is the gist of the BushCo attack on the planet: a hate crime. An intentional, ferocious dismantling of protections and guidelines, a view that Mother Nature is nothing but a cheap resource to be exploited, a giant oil can to be suckled, a hunk of toilet paper for Dick Cheney to -- well, let's not imagine.
Look at it this way. It's like music videos. Over and over again, endless droning shots of gyrating sweating booty-pumping faux-sexy bodies pretending to writhe in bogus orgasmic bliss, video after video and hour after hour where you watch and watch and go slowly numb and say, Jesus with a skimpy thong and a spray bottle of baby oil, how much further can they go?
How much more naked and sexist and overblown and abusive can they get before they say oh screw it and just strip down and have sex with a live chicken as 50 Cent downs a bottle of Crystal and grins maniacally?
This is like the saturation level of BushCo. Something's gotta give, you say. Surely some sort of ugly orgiastic critical mass has been reached wherein Bush and his planet-reaming policies simply cannot go any further without some sort of meltdown, some sort of massive international cosmic recoil whereby we finally see the Bush admin for what it is, quite possibly the most self-serving, egomaniacal cluster of enviro thugs in modern history.
But with the Union of Concerned Scientists report, this sentiment goes one step further -- this is not just hate for the planet, not merely a blatant right-wing revulsion for those much-loathed intangible New Age-y touchstones like earthly vibration, energy, true spiritual connection and a deep veneration and sense of profound awe for the raw divinity of nature.
This is more sinister, and more disturbing. BushCo's ugly rejection of not merely the "liberal" environmental politicking but also of the factual science of the natural world is, ultimately, a form of self-loathing. It is a snide and self-destructive rejection of the human-nature connection, of the very real and very direct correlation between how we treat our world and how we view ourselves, between what we choose to celebrate/annihilate in nature and what we venerate/devastate in own spirits. After all, the less regard you have for one, the less you care about the other. Simple, really.
Look. We reflect the planet. The planet reflects us. And 60 out of 60 scientists agree: BushCo's time of reflecting nothing but cruel blackness and abuse needs to come to an end, right now.

ICY
14th August 04, 03:58 PM
No one is non-partisan.