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Balloonknot
13th August 04, 10:27 AM
This is a nice little article that I thought I'd share. It asks some really good questions (at the end). It sounds to me like the Iraq war is the new Vietnam. Our boys are never getting out of there. Mainly, because Bush can't admit that he's wrong. Don't you find it funny how "all of a sudden" their producing all these terror alerts. Boo-hoo, I'm so scared. The color chart is orange, gee I think I'll go hide in my cellar! What a damn joke this administration is.

It's on the point of the absurd now. It's one thing after another. How much more abuse can we take? Four more years with Bush will almost guarantee a total loss of respect from the world community. Along with the exporting of jobs, which Bush still stands by, is breaking our country down. Piece by piece. At some point, you've got to ask yourself (as the President), am I helping the little people here? Bush has NOT helped the little people. Isn't he just taking our country apart little by little. Since he's been in the office, EVERY DAMN THING is worse! EVERYTHING!! (I won't even go into the whole Cheney scandals, it makes my heart skip a beat)

The enviroment, health care, jobs, the economy, our global position in the world, dead soldiers, freedom of speech (Powell's son is a complete moron), and most importantly SCIENCE. Most of our top scientists are AGAINST Bush. Come on people, what does that tell you? It's time for a change and the time is now. Don't be duped any longer.



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by Bob Herbert
The New York Times
August 6, 2004

Anthony Dixon and Adam Froehlich were best friends who grew up in the suburbs of southern New Jersey, not far from Philadelphia. They went to junior high school together. They wrestled on the same team at Overbrook High School in the town of Pine Hill. They enlisted in the Army together in 2002. And both died in Iraq, in roadside bombings just four months apart.

Specialist Dixon was killed on Sunday in Samarra. Specialist Froehlich was killed in March near Baquba. They were 20 years old.

No one has a clue how this madness will end. As G.I.'s continue to fight and die in Iraq, the national leaders who put them needlessly in harm's way are now flashing orange alert signals to convey that Al Qaeda - the enemy that should have been in our sights all along - is poised to strike us again.

It's as if the government were following a script from the theater of the absurd. Instead of rallying our allies to a coordinated and relentless campaign against Al Qaeda after Sept. 11, we insulted the allies, gave them the back of our hand and arrogantly sent the bulk of our forces into the sand trap of Iraq.

Now we're in a fix.

The war in Iraq has intensified the hatred of America around the world and powerfully energized Al Qaeda-type insurgencies. At the same time, it has weakened our defenses by diverting the very resources we need - personnel, mat?riel and boatloads of cash - to meet the real terror threats.

President Bush's re-election mantra is that he's the leader who can keep America safe. But that message was stepped on by the urgent, if not frantic, disclosures this week by top administration officials that another Al Qaeda attack on the United States might be imminent.

A debate emerged almost immediately about whether the intelligence on which those disclosures were based was old or new, or a combination of both. Nevertheless, because of the growing sense of alarm, there was an expansion of the already ubiquitous armed, concrete-fortified sites in New York City and Washington.

The pressure may be getting to Mr. Bush. He came up with a gem of a Freudian slip yesterday. At a signing ceremony for a $417 billion military spending bill, the president said: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

The nation seems paralyzed, unsure of what to do about Iraq or terrorism. The failure of leadership that led to the bonehead decision to invade Iraq remains painfully evident today. Nobody seems to know where we go from here.

What Americans need more than anything else right now is some honest information about the critical situations we're facing.

What's the military mission in Iraq? Can it be clearly defined? Is it achievable? At what cost and over what time frame? How many troops will be needed? How many casualties are we willing to accept? And how much suffering are we willing to endure here at home in terms of the domestic needs that are unmet?

Neither Lyndon Johnson nor Richard Nixon was honest with the American people about Vietnam, and the result was a monumental tragedy. George W. Bush has not leveled with the nation about Iraq, and we are again trapped in a long, tragic nightmare.

As for the so-called war on terror, there is no evidence yet that the administration has a viable plan for counteracting Al Qaeda and its America-hating allies, offshoots and imitators. Whether this week's clumsy sequence of press conferences, leaks and alerts was politically motivated or not, the threat to the U.S. is both real and grave. And it can't be thwarted with military power alone.

Does the administration have any real sense of what motivates the nation's enemies? Does it understand the ways in which American policies are empowering its enemies? Does it grasp the crucial importance of international alliances and coordinated intelligence activity in fighting terror? And is it even beginning to think seriously about lessening our debilitating dependence on Middle Eastern oil?

The United States is the greatest military and economic power in the history of the planet. But it lacks a unifying sense of national purpose at the moment, and seems uncertain, even timid, as the national security challenges continue to mount. That is what a failure of leadership can do to a great power.

punchingdummy
13th August 04, 10:55 AM
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! OMG! OMG! The sky is falling!

TylerDurden
13th August 04, 11:28 AM
The worst thing about being a soldier in Iraq is there is no time limit. Even when they ship these guys home they know they are going back. In Vietnam they did one year and then got out, they knew if they could just make it those 365 days they were safe.

punchingdummy
13th August 04, 11:40 AM
It's funny how often Vietnam is used as an analogy for military conflict: Gulf I was going to turn into a Vietnam. Somalia was turning into a Vietnam. Afghanistan was surely a Vietnam. Iraq is a Vietnam.

Shug
13th August 04, 01:01 PM
I dunno, Iraq could have been a Vietnam were there any proof or news of us taking advantage of the oil reserves. I remember reading that one possible reason for involvment in Vietnam was a shortage of rubber

Freddy
13th August 04, 01:17 PM
Havnt you notice the flux on oil prices?
Every time one of those oil pipelines in Iraq get sabotage by an insurgent the oil prices goes up.

I guess you dont drive. :rolleyes:

Hawkeye
13th August 04, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by punchingdummy
Somalia was turning into a Vietnam.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.... that gets me pissed just thinking about it. :mad:

Boyd
13th August 04, 01:26 PM
(in reference to anything Balloonknot has ever said in his entire life)

SHUT UP. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. GOD. DAMMIT. JUST SHUT UP. PLEASE. CAN YOU PLEASE JUST SHUT THE HOLY FUCK UP AND NEVER OPEN YOUR MOUTH AGAIN? CHRIST.

SRK85
13th August 04, 01:30 PM
Umm afghanistn was no vietnam either was Somaila. We just failed to get that warlord. Iraq is no where near a vietnam. But if the violence heats up even more and we still have troops there for a couple of years we could lose more then 5,000 troops. Which is still 10 times less then vietnam.

Muqatil
13th August 04, 01:32 PM
Heh heh. BK is just funny now. You have to have pity for folks like him that can't seem to function in reality. :)

SRK85
13th August 04, 01:34 PM
Dude can we stop with the political threads. Jeez I know Bush sucks and all. But please stop fucking bashing him. Kerry is a lil better but im still confused on his postion on iraq.

punchingdummy
13th August 04, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Hawkeye
Grrrrrrrrrrr.... that gets me pissed just thinking about it. :mad:

Sorry Hawk. We know you guys were quite capable of dealing with the skinnies if given the green light.

punchingdummy
13th August 04, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Boyd
(in reference to anything Balloonknot has ever said in his entire life)

SHUT UP. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. GOD. DAMMIT. JUST SHUT UP. PLEASE. CAN YOU PLEASE JUST SHUT THE HOLY FUCK UP AND NEVER OPEN YOUR MOUTH AGAIN? CHRIST.

:D

**hopes BK decides to respond to Boyd. The resulting humor, at BK's expense, would be both cruel and enjoyable**

Hawkeye
13th August 04, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by punchingdummy
Sorry Hawk. We know you guys were quite capable of dealing with the skinnies if given the green light.

Thanks dude.

Ronin
13th August 04, 02:55 PM
I have never had a problem with bush, though I do perfer a nicely trimmed one.

Balloonknot
13th August 04, 02:57 PM
Yes, everyone wants me to shutup. I understand. Too bad though. Complain all you want, but I see everyone READING and POSTING in MY threads. That's says something doesn't it? It's like trying to eat just one chip isn't it? Ya'll just can't get enough! Eat it up boys and don't forget to swallow!!

Boyd, chill out man. Didn't you take your pills this morning? Muqatil is not even worth responding to....

punchingdummy
13th August 04, 03:09 PM
BOYD! BOYD! BOYD! BOYD! BOYD! BOYD! BOYD!

OK...your cheering section is here...make us proud!

Shug
13th August 04, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Freddy
Havnt you notice the flux on oil prices?
Every time one of those oil pipelines in Iraq get sabotage by an insurgent the oil prices goes up.

I guess you dont drive. :rolleyes:

ummmmm..... what? I said it would be comparable IF there had been any abuse and/or proof of abuse with the Iraqi oil reserves..... what in the hell was that in response to?

Balloonknot
13th August 04, 03:14 PM
Gee, another Balloonknot thread that went over 100 posts. Damn, I'm good!!

Zendetta
13th August 04, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by punchingdummy
It's funny how often Vietnam is used as an analogy for military conflict: Gulf I was going to turn into a Vietnam. Somalia was turning into a Vietnam. Afghanistan was surely a Vietnam. Iraq is a Vietnam.

Given that many (all?) modern US military incursions are low-intensity comflicts with a nation-buildig component, I think we should keep this metaphor alive.

Those who forget history tend to .... blah blah... you know the rest.

Zendetta
13th August 04, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by ronin69
I have never had a problem with bush, though I do perfer a nicely trimmed one.


The guys in charge are named Bush, Dick, and Colon, squaring off against somebody named Sodom.

No wonder people feel like they are being fuqqed!!!

punchingdummy
13th August 04, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Zendetta
Given that many (all?) modern US military incursions are low-intensity comflicts with a nation-buildig component, I think we should keep this metaphor alive.

Those who forget history tend to .... blah blah... you know the rest.

You think Vietnam and Gulf I were LIC?

People usually apply the analogy in terms of a long war of attrition with large US casualties.

Zendetta
13th August 04, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by punchingdummy
You think Vietnam and Gulf I were LIC?

People usually apply the analogy in terms of a long war of attrition with large US casualties.

No. But 'Nam and Gulf 2 are not the full theater kind of operation of say, WW2, Korea, etc.

It seems Rummy believed Iraq could be run as a LIC.

punchingdummy
13th August 04, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Zendetta
No. But 'Nam and Gulf 2 are not the full theater kind of operation of say, WW2, Korea, etc.

It seems Rummy believed Iraq could be run as a LIC.

That's still a silly analogy. If that were the case then Kosovo, Granada, Panama and Liberia would fit the bill. The reality is that none are similar to Vietnam.