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1st July 04, 08:16 PM

Ayad Allawi is the new dude, ex MD, ex secret police, and ex exile in Britain. He wants to use Iraqi army, the one the US in it's infinite stupidity fired in mass. That was part of the 'build democracy from the ground up' nonsence that led to the idiotic choice of 'letting go' the 400,000 Iraqi army and letting bums loot the country. (Don't forget how the Iraqis are real pissed that the US chose to only protect the oil fields - by the way, we were successful in Japan and Germany post WW2 by getting rid of the leaders and keeping the middle and lower ranks intact, too bad Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush etc don't read history, I mean shit, anyone could have run this better than these shit heads. How much brains does it take to think keeping the army might be a good idea?)

Since building democracy from the bottom up, that 'oh so clever' overly ambitious American strategy now lies in ruins as a total failure, at least Ayad has the brains to try to do it with existing institutions. He'll have to start over somewhat since the US fucked up so bad. The US policy was a victim of too much wishful thinking and too little practical planning, and the fat headed egocentric neo-straussian morons that run our nation.

The bad news about old Ayad is that he's about as liberal as the other Shia ruling party, the one in Iran. So now we'll have two Shia, ultraconservative types running these countries. And even worse running Arabia. The spin here will be that he's a 'liberal' asshole that we can deal with; the truth is that the future don't look good.

Also dooming the long term (and short term, but how much more can it suck?) economy of Iraq is the reports that estimate that Bremer has passed nearly 100 orders that, among other things, give US corporations "virtual free rein over the Iraqi economy while largely excluding Iraqis from a reconstruction effort which has failed to provide for their basic needs".

So we've tied the Iraqis to a 'pay off the US corporations' first deal while these same corporations skim the fat (or oil in this case); I'm sure the stupid Iraqis won't notice or give a shit how they are being ripped off. NOT! No it's the sheep in America that won't get it (just keep repeating the PLEDGE, wave that flag over our ship of fools, and watch a lot of TV), the Iraqis will understand just fine.

And hate our guts.

1st July 04, 08:28 PM
Yes we totally fucked iraq. Stupid bush.

deus ex machina
2nd July 04, 12:28 AM
we were successful in Japan and Germany post WW2 by getting rid of the leaders and keeping the middle and lower ranks intact,

It was a teensy bit more complicated than that.

Don "Jive Turkey" Gwinn
2nd July 04, 01:17 AM
Oh, good! Geopolitical experts!

Advanced exponents of the Sarandon School, too, I see.

2nd July 04, 03:44 AM
Yes, it's a pooch-screw.

2nd July 04, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by SRK85
Yes we totally fucked iraq. Stupid bush.

Never blame the bush !!! bush is good...
Now George Bush...that is something different.

2nd July 04, 10:44 AM
Yes bush is good. But George W. Bush is bad.

2nd July 04, 11:31 AM
I always wondered how Bush and co could be so stupid as to discharge the whole Iraqi army and anyone associated to the Baathe party in any way. This discharge basically got rid of any self reliant leader and law enforcement chances the country had.

Maybe they did it on purpose for some reason. I mean its really tough to say whether or not the Bush administration is extremely stupid or maybe somewhat smart. On the one hand the less stable the country the longer U.S. troops have to stay. That costs money.

But the longer the country is inept and unstable the easier it is to implement make work contracts, tap the oil etc. In the end the Iraqi debt will be written off except the part they owe to the U.S. for "liberation."

Bush smart or stupid I dunno.

WingChun Lawyer
2nd July 04, 11:36 AM
I agree with Unicron. The more chaos in the country, the better to keep the troops there, and the easier it will be to keep the local government subservient enough to maintain the oil contracts.

2nd July 04, 11:44 AM
As we speak:

Iraqi insurgents launch rocket attacks


BAGHDAD (AP) - Insurgents launched a series of rocket strikes in Baghdad on Friday, hitting two hotel compounds used by Westerners, police and witnesses said.

The attacks came as Jordan's King Abdullah announced he was willing to send troops to help the new Iraqi government, potentially becoming the first Arab state to do so.

Yemen also said Friday it was willing to send peacekeeping troops to Iraq, but only under a UN mandate.

Kidnappers, meanwhile, fulfilled a promise to free two Turkish hostages after their employer agreed to stop doing business with the U.S. military in Iraq, Turkish authorities said.

In one of Friday's strikes, insurgents used the back of a van parked just off central Baghdad's Firdous Square to fire rockets from a multiple-rocket launcher, a U.S. soldier told The Associated Press. Another soldier said the launcher fell over as a third round was fired, setting the vehicle ablaze.

One rocket from the attack struck the Sheraton Hotel but caused only minor damage. A second exploded in the parking lot of the Baghdad Hotel, used by western security contractors.

Flames and black smoke billowed from the charred van, which burned near a blue domed mosque just off Firdous Square, where U.S. forces hauled down a statue of Saddam Hussein on April 9, 2003, after the city's fall.

The U.S. military said insurgents were aiming for the nearby Green Zone, the heavily guarded area across the Tigris River that houses the U.S. Embassy and offices of Iraq's newly sovereign interim government. The rockets fell short, and one destroyed another vehicle.

In a separate attack in central Baghdad, insurgents fired rockets near the Marjam Hotel, also is used by westerners. One rocket struck a statue in nearby Wathik Square and another landed near the Indonesian Embassy without exploding, police said.

In a third strike in western Baghdad's Yarmouk neighbourhood, one rocket hit the front gate of the fundamentalist Iraqi Islamic party headquarters, blowing out windows and wounding a guard, the U.S. military said.

The attacks were the latest in a campaign by insurgents that has continued despite the handover of sovereignty to Iraqis by the U.S. occupation authority.

About 160,000 foreign troops, mostly American, remain in Iraq to provide security and training. Many Iraqis still consider themselves under occupation.

In Washington, a former Coalition Provisional Authority official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said American officials believe the insurgency is being carried out by about 4,000 to 5,000 Saddam loyalists.

The insurgency is also believed to involve hundreds of foreign fighters, including many loyal to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian fighting American influence in the Middle East. In addition to hardcore members of these three groups, there are untold numbers of "supporters or facilitators," said the official, who is deeply familiar with the security situation in Iraq.

American officials believe the followers of Saddam, not al-Zarqawi, pose the greatest threat to the new government.

But there is little Saddam, who was arraigned in court Thursday, has provided in the seven months since his capture to help illuminate the threat. Saddam has disclosed "almost nothing" of any intelligence value during months of interrogation, the official said.

Jordan's king, in an interview in London on Thursday with BBC TV, said it would be hard to turn down any request to help Iraq's new government.

"Our message to the president or the prime minister is: Tell us what you want. Tell us how we can help, and you have 110 per cent support from us," he said. "If we don't stand with them, if they fail, then we all pay the price."

The two Turks released Friday were Soner Sercali, an air conditioning repairman, and his co-worker Murat Kizil. They were reported missing June 1.

The kidnappers, who identified themselves as the Mujahadeen Brigade, freed the two men after their employer, Kayteks, pledged to stop working in Iraq.

A video shown by Al-Jazeera television Friday, just before the release, showed the two men kneeling before three masked insurgents. One gunman read a statement saying the men were being released after having promised not to work with coalition forces.

"To honour the Muslim Turkish people, and upon the repentance of the two hostages, and their pledge not to do such a thing again . . . we decided to release them in return for nothing," the gunman said.

Thousands of Turks work as truck drivers or contractors in Iraq. The captives were accused of working for the U.S. occupiers.

More than 40 people from several countries have been abducted in Iraq since April, many of them released or freed by coalition soldie

WingChun Lawyer
2nd July 04, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by ronin69

About 160,000 foreign troops, mostly American, remain in Iraq to provide security and training. Many Iraqis still consider themselves under occupation.

If 160,000 foreigner troops were in my country, I would bloody well consider myself under occupation.

2nd July 04, 11:58 AM
Well... I don't see much of a choice.