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much love
27th April 04, 07:03 AM
This came up in another thread. And here it is again as a current event. I maintain that priests that molest are often not isolated, they are in fact part of a larger "satanic conspiracy". They are not Christians, they are imposters. No not all molesters are satanists. Some are weak people with fucked up driven behaviors. Still, I believe a very large percentage of these sickos are into it with other sickos (ie conspiracy) and it is actually part of their religion (satanism).


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040427/NEWS03/404270341

Beatdown Richie
27th April 04, 08:55 AM
I have a more plausible explanation: the church (especially the catholic church) harbors unproportionally many pervs and child molesters (and closet-case homosexuals) because they view sexuality as evil and something to be suppressed, and they offer a way of suppressing or sublimating it. This resonates with people who are uncomfortable with their sexuality (for good reason, in some cases) and seek to escape from it. Of course, being in a priest seminar with a whole bunch of other pervs, and then being responsible for lots of little kids while having no "legal" way of blowing off steam, doesn't help at all.

See, mystery solved. No satanic conspiracy is needed.

BTW, whenever someone says, "These people are not TRUE Christians/ Martial Artists/ Patriots/ Whatevers", my alarms go off, especially if the people in question actually represent and define that group. Christianity is what Christians make of it. If you don't like it, fine, but denying the state of affairs doesn't help.

much love
27th April 04, 09:04 AM
did you read the story?

one of the victims is alleging forced participation in satanic rituals with other priests

and the cops are saying the murder the priest is accused of was ritualistic.

there is a ton of "legit" media sources that report on organized satanism

the main reason these fuckers go on unabated is disbelief

Beatdown Richie
27th April 04, 09:28 AM
A) you maintain that "a very large percentage of these sickos" is part of a conspiracy. A single case does not support that claim.
B) media have two reasons to report things: either they are true, or they sell well. There have been lots of allegations of organized satanic abuse in the past, but AFAIK no solid evidence was found for it:

http://skepdic.com/satanrit.html

much love
27th April 04, 11:11 AM
Beatdown Richie,

I am assuming you are not a moron or a satanist.

therefore, i am cholking your remarks up to ignorance.

I am not talking about children who said george bush and mickey mouse molested them while being coerced by zealous therapists

i am talking about bona fide crimes (authentic/genuine just in case you are a moron)

many satan worshippers admit/brag about their faith when caught

and it is often coaberated by their sicko budies

The following are links to genuine crimes by either admitted or suspected satan worshipping abominations

Richard Ramirez - Admitted satan worshipper
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/delays_6.html?sect=1

4 satan worshipping scum bag serial killers
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/partners/team_male/3.html

Henry Lee Lucas- admitted devil-worshipping serial killer
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/lucas/death_8.html

satan worshipping murderer in alabama
http://www.alabamacenterforjustice.com/devilwor.htm

satan worshipping teen sentenced to die for murder
http://www.cnn.com/US/9802/27/vampire.slayings/

remember the matamoros killings
http://www.rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism49.html

satanic murder in spain
http://www.rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism42.html

satanic murders in poland
http://www.rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism43.html

in brazil
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/news.php?p=5308&c=1

in germany (great photo of the scum bag)
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_509469.html

patfromlogan
27th April 04, 11:52 AM
PLAY ME BACKWARDS
(Written by Joan Baez, Wally Wilson, Kenny Greenberg & Karen O'Connor)

You don't have to play me backwards
To get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to die and go to hell
To feel the devil's curse

Well I thought my life was a photograph
On the family Christmas card
Kids all dressed in buttons and bows
And lined up in the yard
Were the golden days of childhood
So lyrical and warm
Or did the picture start to fade
On the day that I was born

I've seen them light the candles
I've heard them bang the drum
And I've cried Mama, I'm cold as ice!
And I got no place to run

Let the night begin there's a pop of skin
And the sudden rush of scarlet
There's a little boy riding on a goat's head
And a little girl playing the harlot
There's a sacrifice in an empty church
Of sweet li'l baby Rose
And a man in a mask from Mexico
Is peeling off my clothes

I've seen them light the candles
I've heard them bang the drum
And I've cried Mama, I'm cold as ice!
And I got no place to run

So I'm paying for protection
Smoking out the truth
Chasing recollections
Nailing down the proof

You don't have to play me backwards
To get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to die and go to hell
To feel the devil's curse
I'll stand before your altar
And tell everything I know
I've come to claim my childhood
At the chapel of baby Rose

I've seen them light the candles
I've heard them bang the drum
I've seen them light the candles
I've heard them bang the drum

patfromlogan
27th April 04, 11:54 AM
I think only people with stop facism avatars should paste here. :p

DJeter1234
27th April 04, 11:58 AM
ok, he didn't say that satanists don't do bad things. he said that you have presented no evidence that "a large percentage" of child molestation by catholic clergy is due to a vast satanic conspiracy. You have provided one example, which does not prove or even imply this. However, if the evolution thread is good precedent, the next 10 or so pages will be dedicated to convincing you of this. Have fun.

Beatdown Richie
27th April 04, 12:26 PM
Thanks DJeter. Let me clarify my position.

Are there satanists? Sure.

Do I think that there's a good number of whackos and pervs among satanists? Yes.

Logical conclusion: some satanists will commit crimes, some will use their religion as a motive for crimes. As a matter of fact, there was a fairly active satanist scene in Scandinavia in the 90s, and there are well-documented cases of satanists burning churches, defiling graveyards, killing people etc.

Now, your claim was that a large percentage of child molestations related to the church are conducted by satanists masquerading as priests under the cover of a conspiracy. And you presented zero evidence for that claim. Neither do the cases you linked to support that notion as far as I can see. If I would wager a guess (and it's just that) - if there's a conspiracy, it has nothing to do with satanism, but with christian priests higher up in the hierarchy closing both eyes to what their friends on the community level do. Just regular ol' corruption.

That's all. Have a nice day.

much love
27th April 04, 01:47 PM
Satanic Subculture within the Catholic Church

Archbishop discusses Satanism within Catholic Church
http://www.theharrowing.com/devil.html

priest writes “do as thy wilt” the law of theleme-cornerstone of satanism
http://www.spiritwatch.org/Satantract.pdf

Indeed Paul had alluded somberly to ‘the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary’. . . an oblique reference to an enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican. Besides, the incidence of Satanic pedophilia — rites and practices — was already documented among certain bishops and priests as widely dispersed as Turin, in Italy, and South Carolina, in the United States. The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the Fallen Archangel’s rites.
Jesuit Priest Malachi Martin discusses Satanism within the church
http://www.theharrowing.com/devil.html

Everyone is guilty of duplicity and hypocrisy to some degree. And as a pharmacist will tell you it is not the substance itself but the dosage that can kill you.
I feel that this level of duplicity precludes one’s ability to accept Christ (therefore, not Christian)

55% of priests acknowledge the presence of gay subculture within priesthood
this is significant as they demonstrate a willingness to lie and hide the truth from those not involved in their conspiracy
http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=20147

much love
27th April 04, 01:50 PM
Beatdown Richie,

I appreciate your clarification.

You also have an awesome day.

Shuma-Gorath
27th April 04, 02:15 PM
It would help if you actually knew what real Satanism stands for (or, better yet, didn't post bad country songs). Here's a hint: It's not about fucking people in the ass and drinking goat blood. Well, not exclusively, anyway.

much love
27th April 04, 02:49 PM
Tell me more!

DJeter1234
27th April 04, 04:06 PM
http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis1.htm

they seem to be pretty much anarcho-capitalists.

Shuma-Gorath
27th April 04, 04:14 PM
From what I gleaned from the Satanic Bible, the general premise is embracing natural human impulses as long as it does not harm anyone else, which is in opposition to Christian (and I would assume Jewish/Islamic/Buddhist) repression.

Stold3
27th April 04, 04:23 PM
Why the hell did they choose the term Satanic. They trying to piss people off and/or get attention?

Raven
27th April 04, 04:55 PM
Because, the concept and likeness of Satan is taken from the pagan wilderness god, (whose name alludes me right now) from what I have read and understand.
And most likely, for the reasons you mention stold.

Stold3
27th April 04, 05:24 PM
You mean the guy with horns and goat legs?

DJeter1234
27th April 04, 05:53 PM
pan?

"They trying to piss people off and/or get attention?"

"Religious Satanists existed in the 1950's, both in the United States and the UK. But they were little known to the public. Legends describe how modern Satanism burst into mass consciousness on Walpurgisnacht, April 30, 1966, (I Anno Satanas) when LaVey announced the creation of the Church of Satan. 2 In reality, LaVey was teaching weekly lectures on occult topics for $2.00 a person during the spring of 1966. A professional publicist, Edward Webber, suggested that he "would never make any money by lecturing on Friday nights for donations ... it would be better to form some sort of church and get a charter from the State of California ... I told Anton at the time that the press was going to flip out over all this and that we would get a lot of notoriety". Formation of the Church of Satan occurred much later in 1966; it was triggered by a newspaper article that referred to LaVey as the "priest of the Devil's church". 9 "

from the website I posted.

patfromlogan
27th April 04, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Shumagorath
It would help if you actually knew what real Satanism stands for (or, better yet, didn't post bad country songs). Here's a hint: It's not about fucking people in the ass and drinking goat blood. Well, not exclusively, anyway.

1. That's singer/songwriter genre.
2. It a great song. The album has Stones in the Road which turned me on to Mary Chapin Carpinter, too.
3. The satanists in SLC seemed to be exacle about such ugly things.
4. This is reminding me of Mutt's Stars and Bars.
5. Have you really given up on Shotokan?
6. How was working out with Ronin? Have you kept in touch for throwdowns or anything? I emailed him but haven't got a reply.
7. It is me, not the other guy with the great avatar.

Shuma-Gorath
27th April 04, 07:05 PM
Pat, PM me minus the song stuff so I can respond to you later. I have to get off the internet for awhile and study.

Nihilanthic
27th April 04, 11:30 PM
I doubt there are real satanists. "satanists" are just secular and usually put the individual and individualism over group or herd mentality.

And while we're on christianity gone wrong...

http://www.livejournal.com/~nihilanthic/19239.html check out my current politicial cause.

Freddy
28th April 04, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Stold3
Why the hell did they choose the term Satanic. They trying to piss people off and/or get attention?

Pist them off and get attention! :D

shinbushi
28th April 04, 06:25 PM
Actually for the most part organized Satanists like the church Anton Levay set up are really anti-Christian Atheists that don't believe in Satan but like the ritual and the hedonism check out http://www.satanism101.com/

Fixed spelling

patfromlogan
29th April 04, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Shumagorath
From what I gleaned from the Satanic Bible, the general premise is embracing natural human impulses as long as it does not harm anyone else, which is in opposition to Christian (and I would assume Jewish/Islamic/Buddhist) repression.

That reminds me of Mormonism. There are some good things and if you don't look too hard you don't see the patriarchial bullshit that leads to women being second class, only valued as breeders, and the worst of it is that they accept this brainwashing to the point of thinking their only power comes from their vaginas. I think Mormon girls try to screw their teachers more than any other group. Their indoctrination is complete!

Jolly_Roger
29th April 04, 12:27 PM
Yay!
Let's teach on a Mormon school!
(Now, if there only would be a way to open a mormon school in Japan...)