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coner400
9th April 04, 01:27 PM
give me a fucking break. do you think congress can come up with a way to restrict us even further? people should be able to walk around regardless of age or time of day. and they call this the land of the free? thoughts anyone?:mad:

DJeter1234
9th April 04, 01:31 PM
yeah, they went into effect in DC right after i got old enough that they wouldn't effect me. they are incredibly retarted. I can understand restrictions on driving, but restricions on being out of the house is rediculous

Guerilla Fists
9th April 04, 01:39 PM
I don't want you youngin's running around after seven o clock much less ten pm. I'm glad there is a curfew. I believe it's for your safety and my fun

Ka-Bar
9th April 04, 01:41 PM
Congress doesn't pass curfews, as they are generally city ordinances. And as a minor, your rights are extremely abridged as it is. You can't vote, drink, smoke, look at porn, etc. The only people who are on the streets at 3 in the morning are cops and criminals. If you're 16 and roaming the streets in the middle of the night, I'd bet a lot of money that you're up to no good.

m4949
9th April 04, 01:41 PM
Having a curfew makes it easier for cops. Instead of wasting time following kids, they can just arrest them.

kismasher
9th April 04, 01:52 PM
agree with GF

coner400
9th April 04, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Ka-Bar
Congress doesn't pass curfews, as they are generally city ordinances. And as a minor, your rights are extremely abridged as it is. You can't vote, drink, smoke, look at porn, etc. The only people who are on the streets at 3 in the morning are cops and criminals. If you're 16 and roaming the streets in the middle of the night, I'd bet a lot of money that you're up to no good.
yes, our rights are, for the most part, unfairly abridged. but that part about the only people being cops and criminals is pretty much stereotyping us. ill correct it for you. the only people who are in the streets at three in the morning are cops, criminals, and people who just felt like taking a walk.
in my case, we were thirteen and fourteen, and we only got caught by our parents, but who then gave us a talk about the curfews.

coner400
9th April 04, 01:57 PM
i think gf must be a white suburban, law-abiding, hypocrit. that is if his name (guerilla fists) actually means something. otherwise, if it was a completely random name that sounded cool, i take that back.

Sharlintier
9th April 04, 01:58 PM
Curfew laws are by city. The suburb I live in doesn't have them but you go a block south or west and you are in a different city. The one to the west has a 10PM curfew and the one to the south has a midnight curfew. Quite often you can find teenagers hanging around just this side of the city lines late at night. Since the curfew laws have been in place vandalism, car theft and robbery has gone up in this area, but corralation does not prove causation. Though it has been enough of an increase to cause the city to start discussing having curfew laws here as well.

kismasher
9th April 04, 02:00 PM
taking a walk at 3:00 am is stupid

just so you know.

coner400
9th April 04, 02:02 PM
Since the curfew laws have been in place vandalism, car theft and robbery has gone up in this area (originally posted by sharlintier). im glad to see you tell it like it is. so, do you or don't you support curfew laws?

coner400
9th April 04, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by kismasher
taking a walk at 3:00 am is stupid

just so you know.
um, thats a self centered OPINION, just so you know. im sorry you think its stupid but what you're saying doesn't contribute to this thread very much.

Ka-Bar
9th April 04, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by coner400
yes, our rights are, for the most part, unfairly abridged. but that part about the only people being cops and criminals is pretty much stereotyping us. ill correct it for you. the only people who are in the streets at three in the morning are cops, criminals, and people who just felt like taking a walk.
in my case, we were thirteen and fourteen, and we only got caught by our parents, but who then gave us a talk about the curfews.

Please don't feel obligated to correct me on matters of criminal law or the activities of people at 3 am. In your case, as you were under age and out past curfew, you were indeed a criminal. I don't know where you live, but in most major cities, a 13 and 14 year old roaming the street are very likely to be victims of violence, robbery, or sexual assault or looking to do these things themselves.

And like kismasher said, talking a walk at 3 am is just stupid. Don't you boys have school or some chores to do?

kismasher
9th April 04, 02:14 PM
tell me again why you think minors should be able to walk around at night?

for the ones that have some bizarre urge to go cavorting around at night in cities i can think of a couple reasons to have curfews:

1. risk of physical harm from a third party
2. risk of being caught in the area where a crime is committed whether or not they are doing anything
3. parent's piece of mind
4. actual intent to commit crime

now for the record, i did things of this nature quite often. however i live in an area where violent assaults are virtually nill, and i rarely went out just to go for a stroll.


[edit] well ka-bar beat me to it with most of this, but read it anyway

coner400
9th April 04, 02:19 PM
im glad you're concerned for us thirteen and fourteen year olds. we were only criminals because there was a curfew law. so, i guess you're right in saying that the only people wandering the streets that late at night are criminals and cops. but the convicted criminals might not have been criminals had it not been for the curfew laws in the first place. so curfew laws are established to eliminate or restrict criminals, however, curfews criminalize anyone regardless of their nocturnal intentions. this is like a brain teaser or something. perhaps law makers (thanks for the corrections) made these with hopes that someone wouldn't come to this conclusion. l-o fucking l.

kismasher
9th April 04, 02:27 PM
get the knot out of your panties, pay your $25 ticket, and be sneakier next time.

damn. if you were good enough not to get caught this really wouldn't be a problem would it?

DJeter1234
9th April 04, 02:28 PM
btw, in DC, the curfew law takes place at either 11 or 1 (i forget which) for anyone 17 or under, if i'm not mistaken. If you think a 17 y/o should not be allowed to go to, for example, a concert that gets out at 12:30 on a friday night and be able to take the metro back, that is rediculous.

Ka-Bar
9th April 04, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by coner400
im glad you're concerned for us thirteen and fourteen year olds. we were only criminals because there was a curfew law. so, i guess you're right in saying that the only people wandering the streets that late at night are criminals and cops. but the convicted criminals might not have been criminals had it not been for the curfew laws in the first place. so curfew laws are established to eliminate or restrict criminals, however, curfews criminalize anyone regardless of their nocturnal intentions. this is like a brain teaser or something. perhaps law makers (thanks for the corrections) made these with hopes that someone wouldn't come to this conclusion. l-o fucking l.

I am concerned for the safety of all citizens, but especially those who are less capable of fending for themselves such as the mentally ill, the elderly and children. (BTW at 14, you're still a child) Curfew laws criminalize minors regardless of their nocturnal intentions. When you turn 18, you can aimlessly wander the streets at any time you see fit.

These laws exist for your protection, not your oppression.

kismasher
9th April 04, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by DJeter1234
btw, in DC, the curfew law takes place at either 11 or 1 (i forget which) for anyone 17 or under, if i'm not mistaken. If you think a 17 y/o should not be allowed to go to, for example, a concert that gets out at 12:30 on a friday night and be able to take the metro back, that is rediculous.


buy a fake id

DJeter1234
9th April 04, 02:31 PM
in general, althoguh there are definately exceptions, i disagree with laws restricting a certain group of people's actions for their supposed "own good"

Ka-Bar
9th April 04, 02:31 PM
I'd love to stay and argue with a 14 year old, but I have to go to work and oppress more children and minorities. I'll leave this thread in the capable hands of kismasher.

DJeter1234
9th April 04, 02:31 PM
I'm almost 20 and live in Providence now. I was 18 when they went into effect.

coner400
9th April 04, 02:45 PM
i agree with djeter. kismasher is funny and im glad you're not too upset about the whole war sucks thread deal. ka-bar you're funny too. i like you man, you're cccrrraazzzyy but i still like you.
i don't know what else to say right now. ill let djeter take over the fight against curfews until i can regain my wits.

Sharlintier
9th April 04, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by coner400
Since the curfew laws have been in place vandalism, car theft and robbery has gone up in this area (originally posted by sharlintier). im glad to see you tell it like it is. so, do you or don't you support curfew laws?

I support Parents controlling their kids and keeping them in the house or being out with them if they are out without having to be forced to by law. I caught my son sneaking into the house one night after "going for a walk" and that boy sorry he left after dark for weeks and hasn't done it again.

DJeter1234
9th April 04, 02:52 PM
for me, its more of a matter of principle. Usually, I don't think the government should regulate an action unless it affects others. That beign said, if i was shown convincing statistical evidence that, for example, a curfew for a reasonable age (read not 18) dramatically decreased crime in a particular area, I would reconsider, thoguh i woud also consider if the cerfew is just a mask of another problem, and, if so, if that problem coudl be helped.

tkdan28
9th April 04, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by coner400
im glad you're concerned for us thirteen and fourteen year olds. we were only criminals because there was a curfew law. so, i guess you're right in saying that the only people wandering the streets that late at night are criminals and cops. but the convicted criminals might not have been criminals had it not been for the curfew laws in the first place. so curfew laws are established to eliminate or restrict criminals, however, curfews criminalize anyone regardless of their nocturnal intentions. this is like a brain teaser or something. perhaps law makers (thanks for the corrections) made these with hopes that someone wouldn't come to this conclusion. l-o fucking l.

I weep for the state of our educational system....

BTW: "nocturnal intentions"?? ;)

Raven
9th April 04, 03:01 PM
I'm on the fence with them. I do not like the implied ciminality, nor do I like that it is automatically assumed a youth is responsable for crimes.

I still to this day, wonder what grown ADULTS are doing wandering the streets at 3 am.

As for your concert complaint.

It bad planning, if a concert by a band that is popular with minors is scheduled to go past the curfew, not the laws fault.

Kein Haar
9th April 04, 03:03 PM
I hate minors.

kismasher
9th April 04, 03:05 PM
well, a curfew would have saved my old neighborhood a lot of vandalism :)

by-the-throat
9th April 04, 03:25 PM
This is inane. Yes, curfew laws are annoying when you're a kid. But any kid with half a brain can sneak around without getting nabbed by the police. Furthermore, any parent that allows their 14 year old kid outside at 3 am should be kicked in the crotch.

A minor cannot go clubbing. A minor cannot go bar hopping. In other words, if you're not at least 18, there isn't a damn thing you can do after midnight in this country that isn't mischief. So suck it up, wait a couple years, and you'll be saying the same damn thing.

Xango
9th April 04, 04:45 PM
Man. We had no curfew laws in the municipality of my youth. It rocked.

You people defending curfews, suck. Some of my best times as a teen happened between the hours of 11 am and dawn. What were we doing? Smoking pot, hanging out by the river, and occasionally getting laid, for the most part. Terribly dangerous stuff! :)

It's easy to have an exaggerated view of 3 in the morning until you've hung out through a few. All the mischief clears the streets about an hour after bars close, after which even the criminals mostly go home to get some sleep. The streets are left to cops, goths, trippers, and crazy people. It can be boring, but it's quite peaceful. You get to meet the people who empty the garbage cans and deliver bagels to the delis, hang out with cops, shoot the shit...

I find it hard to believe that y'all would have appreciated curfews when you were conor's age. I think it's a further sign that America is breeding a generation that has been subjected to more forms of control than any before it. I tremble at what these children will do, and am glad I'm young enough to escape their wrath.

Xango
9th April 04, 04:48 PM
Oh, and when the Republican Party happened, they emancipated the slaves through years of unrelenting war.

Something to keep in mind, even if it doesn't tell us much about the present day.

coner400
9th April 04, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by tkdan28
I weep for the state of our educational system....

BTW: "nocturnal intentions"?? ;)
fuck the educational system. and yes nocturanl intentions. lol. are you proud of me?

coner400
9th April 04, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by kismasher
well, a curfew would have saved my old neighborhood a lot of vandalism :) not necassarily. people vandalize when they feel like vandalizing. like someone said earlier, when curfews went into effect is his neighborhood, crime went up.

Matt Stone
9th April 04, 04:55 PM
I'd debate the validity with Baby Coner, but I have a standing policy not to engage children in conversations that are clearly beyond their ability to comprehend.

Adults (that's "grown ups" for you kiddies) know the reasons and rationale for curfews, as well as the potential repurcussions of both having and not having them.

Typically, adults ("grown ups") support them, unless they are only newly christened adults, in which case they are merely overgrown children anyway and their opinions mean precisely shit...

3 a.m. "walks." Right. *shrug* :rolleyes:

coner400
9th April 04, 04:56 PM
disregard the fact that i got caught. the argument here is are curfew laws fair or aren't they.

by-the-throat
9th April 04, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Xango

It's easy to have an exaggerated view of 3 in the morning until you've hung out through a few.


Do you honestly think you're the only person on this board that goes out after 3 am?

coner400
9th April 04, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Yiliquan1
I'd debate the validity with Baby Coner, but I have a standing policy not to engage children in conversations that are clearly beyond their ability to comprehend.

Adults (that's "grown ups" for you kiddies) know the reasons and rationale for curfews, as well as the potential repurcussions of both having and not having them.

Typically, adults ("grown ups") support them, unless they are only newly christened adults, in which case they are merely overgrown children anyway and their opinions mean precisely shit...

3 a.m. "walks." Right. *shrug* :rolleyes:
don't be afraid to engage in conversation with me. amuse me with your supposed adult (grown up) vocabulary and explain to me why curfews are fair. how old are you by the way?

coner400
9th April 04, 05:03 PM
xango speaks like a god. and yes, i take back my republican statement.

Matt Stone
9th April 04, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by coner400
don't be afraid to engage in conversation with me. amuse me with your supposed adult (grown up) vocabulary and explain to me why curfews are fair. how old are you by the way?

I'm 35, nearly twice your age, and have forgotten more than you have yet to be exposed to... I've also been in the military longer than you've even been alive...

Curfews aren't "fair." They are necessary to keep children at home late at night instead of running around without adult supervision (which they still need, sometimes even into their twenties). It isn't about fair. It is about practical and necessary. Ultimately, though, I don't debate adult issues with children. Go watch Spongebob, and stop bothering the grown ups...

Greese
9th April 04, 05:40 PM
Life isn't fair. If you were an adult you would know that.
And I don't like dealing with people under 21. I love curfews for that reason. I lvoe that we now have a graduated drivers liscense in this area where you can't drive alone at night untill you are 18.
Had I been that age, I would have been annoyed...but Oh well.
Shoot, I refuse to work at a club that will let people under 21 in.

Osiris
9th April 04, 06:17 PM
This is ridiculous. If you can't go out and come back without getting caught by your parents or the police you don't need to be out. You know damn well you're up to no good anyway and if you can't avoid the authorities you sure as hell aren't likely to avoid the victims of whatever mischief you engage in or random predators.

Raven
9th April 04, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by by-the-throat
Do you honestly think you're the only person on this board that goes out after 3 am?

Oh but he IS!

Raven
9th April 04, 11:16 PM
Yiliquan1, Greese1, Sharliniter (her controling comment) and Osiris are correct.

Ka-Bar
9th April 04, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by Xango
Man. We had no curfew laws in the municipality of my youth. It rocked.

You people defending curfews, suck. Some of my best times as a teen happened between the hours of 11 am and dawn. What were we doing? Smoking pot, hanging out by the river, and occasionally getting laid, for the most part. Terribly dangerous stuff! :)

It's easy to have an exaggerated view of 3 in the morning until you've hung out through a few. All the mischief clears the streets about an hour after bars close, after which even the criminals mostly go home to get some sleep. The streets are left to cops, goths, trippers, and crazy people. It can be boring, but it's quite peaceful. You get to meet the people who empty the garbage cans and deliver bagels to the delis, hang out with cops, shoot the shit...

I find it hard to believe that y'all would have appreciated curfews when you were conor's age. I think it's a further sign that America is breeding a generation that has been subjected to more forms of control than any before it. I tremble at what these children will do, and am glad I'm young enough to escape their wrath.

Yeah, when I was 14, I missed out on some fun times because of curfew laws, but I eventually learned how to sneak out and avoid the Poh-Leece.

My view of 3am is hardly exaggerated. 3am is indeed a wonderful time of day, that's why I usually work graveyards. I eat in seedy 24 hour diners, listen to "Coast to Coast" on my radio, talk to the most interesting people and generally get to relax and drive around. (I'm a cop, BTW)

No minor appreciates an abridgement of their rights. I remember being upset about my school's dress code, not being able to buy porn and having to work shitty fast food jobs because I wasn't 18.

However, all of those worries go away when you become an adult, especially when you have children of your own.

I have no doubt that if all curfew laws in the country were repealed, that 99% of kids in suburbia would spend that time drinking cheap beer, smoking cheap pot and feeling some boobies.

I don't work in suburbia, however and the kids that would be out where I work would probably be doing some hardcore gangbanging, turning tricks or shooting up somewhere. There's nothing else for them here at that time of day.

coner400
10th April 04, 12:00 PM
i'll agree that most kids out at night around 3:00 or whatever the curfew is will most likely be breaking the law. BUT let the police arrest the ones that are doing the smoking, fucking, fighting, etc. that IS against the law. but what is the harm in just walking around? contrary to popular belief, not EVERY kid walking around at night is breaking the law (assuming there is no curfew law lol). so instead of punishing everybody because you think they might be capable and likely to break the law, police should arrest the ones actually breaking the law (again assuming there is no curfew law). whats the harm in that?

coner400
10th April 04, 12:01 PM
after re-reading that, i'd like to take away that last "what's the harm in that" because it doesn't sound good.

Osiris
10th April 04, 12:35 PM
If the curfew matters to you, that means that you can't get away from the cops. If you're not smart and fast enough to escape the police you have no business out at 3am.

Xango
10th April 04, 12:41 PM
Well, like I said, my local municipality had no curfew laws. There was a reason for that.

In some cases, I'm sure there's a reason curfews are imposed as well. In general, I'm agin' it. Conor has hit on the essence of it: a curfew is a pre-judicial punishment for a crime which may or may not be committed, which is why it is illegal barring exceptional circumstances to impose an adult curfew in this country. Children have more limited rights, but are still considered innocent until proven guilty.

I accept that a municipality has a right to pass such laws, but that doesn't make it a good idea for most places, most of the time. Your mileage may vary.

Xango
10th April 04, 12:43 PM
Oh, and I appreciate Osiris' point from the Darwinin/Spartan perspective. There were plenty of parks with curfews, and come to think of it I spent a lot of my midnight time in exactly those forbidden zones...

Wounded Ronin
10th April 04, 12:53 PM
Based on what a former prosecutor explained to me, I believe the purpose of a curfew is to give cops a legal hook to arrest gang members with.

Xango
10th April 04, 02:24 PM
Which virtually guarantees it will be used to harass black and hispanic youth (asians too if it's socal we're talking about).

This is the problem with handing out the kind of broad discretionary powers to the police which are becoming more favored. What it is intended for is always only a part of what it can be used for. A curfew for adults would be indefensible for exactly this reason: only in a military situation (aka a 'state of emergency') is imposition of curfew an option in this country, and rightly so.

Again, children have fewer rights, and mostly that's a good thing. But curfews may be going to far. There are milder measures that could be taken. What harm is a gang that a) has no friskable drugs or weapons and b) isn't fighting, vandalizing, or harassing people, doing?

At that point, they're guilty of being black and underaged while wearing sports paraphenalia after midnight. The horror! Kinda reminds me of mopery with intent to gawk...

Meteora
10th April 04, 02:49 PM
Me and My friends where pulled over at 3 am once... only thing we where up to was trying to find fresh donuts. Yes where horriable horriable crimnal's and should be locked up for what we did.

Meteora
10th April 04, 02:56 PM
ironically after I posted my first time on this thread... my friend called me and ask if I wanted to go out late tonight to egg some one's house.

coner400
10th April 04, 03:02 PM
you're all very right (except osiris who's only a little bit right)

coner400
10th April 04, 03:03 PM
osiris, its not whether i got caught or not, its whether they're fair or not.

coner400
10th April 04, 03:10 PM
xango surely you're an anarchist.

Osiris
10th April 04, 06:57 PM
"osiris, its not whether i got caught or not, its whether they're fair or not."

It IS fair. If you can get caught then its not safe for you to be out. Its for your own protection. If youre slick enough to get away with you nocturnal idiocy then the police should be no problem.

And you're a fucking kid. Theyre right tio discriminate based on that. As soon as you get older you can act a fool whenever you wish.

Xango
10th April 04, 07:03 PM
An anarchist? Little ol' me?

Not going there...

For the purposes of this conversation you can consider that a 'no'. I'm certainly neither a Kropotkin "I'm really a Communist" Anarchist nor a Sex Pistols "I really just like to shock people" Anarchist.

coner400
11th April 04, 09:51 AM
haha

CanuckMA
11th April 04, 10:00 AM
If I want a 14 year old's opinion, I'll give it to him.

coner400
11th April 04, 01:17 PM
that doesn't make sense.

Guerilla Fists
11th April 04, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by coner400
i think gf must be a white suburban, law-abiding, hypocrit. that is if his name (guerilla fists) actually means something. otherwise, if it was a completely random name that sounded cool, i take that back.

Hey conor you spineless piece of shit, You're 14 years old. You have no responsibilities besides going to school and obeying your parents. And yet kids your age still manage to fuck that up.
You know what self reliance is? It means for guys like me who work and go to school full time in addition to training and instructing MA work hard to keep ourselves on our feet. Mommy and Daddy aren't wiping my ass so I can have all kinds of fanciful ideals.
What does my handle have to do with anything? I love it when people add a disclaimer to their insults, It shows what cowards they truly are. Cobarde. That's what you are. I'm surprised your mouth hasn't rotted off from all that trash coming out of it.
You don't know shit about me you judgemental little shit. If you were 18 I'd say put your money where your mouth is and I'll put my fist there too you fucking keyboard warrior. But you're not. So I'll let it slide as ignorance of youth.
You got balls, unfortunately they're miles away and hiddeb behind the anonimity of your computer screen. I would seriously like to see you try that shit in public.
I'm not white but so what if I was? That racial qualifier only makes you look like an ignorant fool and takes away from your argument.
Kids like you are the first to get turned out.
Bitch.

Osiris
11th April 04, 01:59 PM
How does he have balls?

Osiris
11th April 04, 02:09 PM
Listen man, the bottom line is that there's nothing for you at 3am but various ilegal activities. The only the thing to be considere AT ALL is how illegal and whether youre the perpetrator or the victim. This law is for your own protection. Shit happens to little kids and its best that it not happen at 3am so someone can bail their bitch asses out of whatever mess they land in.

Meteora
11th April 04, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by coner400
that doesn't make sense.

maybe cause your retarded.

Meteora
11th April 04, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Osiris
Listen man, the bottom line is that there's nothing for you at 3am but various ilegal activities. The only the thing to be considere AT ALL is how illegal and whether youre the perpetrator or the victim. This law is for your own protection. Shit happens to little kids and its best that it not happen at 3am so someone can bail their bitch asses out of whatever mess they land in.

In have to add that finding fresh donuts is not a crime but its a crime when the fresh ones are made at 3 a.m. and me and my friends can't go out and get them with out the risk of the curfew nazi's coming down on us.

DJeter1234
11th April 04, 02:55 PM
a few of you definately have anger issues.

Guerilla Fists
11th April 04, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Meteora
In have to add that finding fresh donuts is not a crime but its a crime when the fresh ones are made at 3 a.m. and me and my friends can't go out and get them with out the risk of the curfew nazi's coming down on us.

How can you see with all those tears in your eyes? Is that not the whiniest reason to abolish curfew, so you can get fresh donuts. Jesus tap-dancing Christ cry me a river.

coner400
11th April 04, 05:36 PM
wow. im speechless.

Dochter
11th April 04, 05:51 PM
and illiterate.

coner400
11th April 04, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Guerilla Fists
I don't want you youngin's running around after seven o clock much less ten pm. I'm glad there is a curfew. I believe it's for your safety and my fun i apologize for what i said in regard to your name. but this statement makes you sound like an ass.
next, i don't know shit about you, but you know enough about me to know that im spineless, have only two responsibilities in my life, i'm a cobarde, i talk a lot of trash, and im a keyboard warrior. jeez, even I didn't know those things about myself.
and djeter was right. you guys have anger problems. try masturbating. it usually works for me.
i also apologize for the statement i made regarding race. in no way am i a racist.

Meteora
11th April 04, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Guerilla Fists
How can you see with all those tears in your eyes? Is that not the whiniest reason to abolish curfew, so you can get fresh donuts. Jesus tap-dancing Christ cry me a river.

You sir obviouslly don't understand that us young yipper snappers need our donuts!

coner400
11th April 04, 06:01 PM
my safety and your fun? jesus christ. you're having fun off a law that restricts me. what a fucking parasite.

Dochter
11th April 04, 06:04 PM
All of us who have been out at 3am at 13 were indeed up to no good. In other words your objections are bullshit.

In general I'm against laws restricting behavior that doesn't affect others, but an argument could be made that yours does. Your being out at that time a) should cause distress to your parents b) puts you and others that are with you at risk and c) could force cops who have better things to do to have to worry about your safety, ticket you and get you home safe.

Overall Osiris has the best argument: If you can't get away with it, it isn't safe for you tobe doing it.

Dochter
11th April 04, 06:06 PM
And I'd like to express my anger at Xango for ruining the joke that I was going to make that I thought this was going to be a comment about emancipation. My version was way better.

Dochter
11th April 04, 06:08 PM
Children should have their "rights" restricted by the way, they're not in a position to be responsible for their actions and therefore shouldn't be afforded the same leinency.

coner400
11th April 04, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Dochter
Children should have their "rights" restricted by the way, they're not in a position to be responsible for their actions and therefore shouldn't be afforded the same leinency. good point. i've never looked at it that way before.

Guerilla Fists
11th April 04, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by coner400
my safety and your fun? jesus christ. you're having fun off a law that restricts me. what a fucking parasite.

My lips are not the ones stuck to my mother's nipple. A parasite can not exist on its own. Unless you are emancipated, which you are not since you aren't sixteen, or have a job and help pay bils then you are more of a "parasite" than I. Even then you still rely on them to taxi you and your buddies around to your circle jerks to help with your "anger problems".
Kid, four years ago I might have agreed with you, lord knows most of us were whiny know it alls who had the world figured out back then.
Once you get a job, your own crib, and dedicate a portion of your time to something greater than yourself I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then whatever ideologies you have about life, politics, religion, are pending.
Seriously kid, good luck,

Phrost
11th April 04, 09:32 PM
Most vandalism and property damage is done by those who arent old enough to have any perspective on the value of things, or in other words... minors.

It costs money to have the police patrol neighborhoods at 3 AM. It costs money to fix your car's paint job, or your mailbox.

Things that seem like fun when you're 14 you'll completely fucking resent when you're 30, unless you're just a loser and still live with your parents.

I can't stand teenagers, and I'm 29. It sucks to have worked hard for nice things and have some snotty little shit come along and ruin something of mine just for fun.

Curfew? Hell, it should be HUNTING SEASON on anyone under 18 past 10 PM.

coner400
11th April 04, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Guerilla Fists
My lips are not the ones stuck to my mother's nipple. A parasite can not exist on its own. Unless you are emancipated, which you are not since you aren't sixteen, or have a job and help pay bils then you are more of a "parasite" than I. Even then you still rely on them to taxi you and your buddies around to your circle jerks to help with your "anger problems".
Kid, four years ago I might have agreed with you, lord knows most of us were whiny know it alls who had the world figured out back then.
Once you get a job, your own crib, and dedicate a portion of your time to something greater than yourself I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then whatever ideologies you have about life, politics, religion, are pending.
Seriously kid, good luck,
thanks, i think. i guess ill get back to you on this issue in four years. and i didn't mean parasite in it's literal definition but whatever.

coner400
11th April 04, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Phrost
Most vandalism and property damage is done by those who arent old enough to have any perspective on the value of things, or in other words... minors.

It costs money to have the police patrol neighborhoods at 3 AM. It costs money to fix your car's paint job, or your mailbox.

Things that seem like fun when you're 14 you'll completely fucking resent when you're 30, unless you're just a loser and still live with your parents.

I can't stand teenagers, and I'm 29. It sucks to have worked hard for nice things and have some snotty little shit come along and ruin something of mine just for fun.

Curfew? Hell, it should be HUNTING SEASON on anyone under 18 past 10 PM.
i agree that it does suck when your property has been vandalized. but why can't it be hunting season on vandalizers after ten p.m.? why do you have to arrest ALL teenagers out after the curfew? I know my question remains the same, but this is only because i haven't gotten a satisfactory answer yet.

coner400
11th April 04, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Meteora
maybe cause your retarded.
im sighing right now

PHILBERT
11th April 04, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by Ka-Bar
Congress doesn't pass curfews, as they are generally city ordinances. And as a minor, your rights are extremely abridged as it is. You can't vote, drink, smoke, look at porn, etc. The only people who are on the streets at 3 in the morning are cops and criminals. If you're 16 and roaming the streets in the middle of the night, I'd bet a lot of money that you're up to no good.

While curfews do not effect me, I would not put money on it if I were you on me. I can't count how many times I've come stumbling in at 3 a.m. sober, no alcohol or drugs in my system, and breaking no laws. I just loose track while I am at my friend's home.

Osiris
11th April 04, 10:26 PM
How do you lose track of 3am? Regardless, stumbling in late on occassion should be no problem. Are you really THAT slow? A curfew would only be a problem if you were out all the time.

Wounded Ronin
11th April 04, 10:26 PM
I personally am against government-imposed curfews.

I think that it is incorrect to say that everyone who is in support of personal liberties, even for the young, is a live-at-home parasite. That is simply not true. Look at the ACLU. It would simply be incorrect to say that everyone who works for the ACLU is a live-at-home parasite, or that they lack a cause that is bigger than themselves.

TaeBo_Master
11th April 04, 10:55 PM
I renew my nomination of Phrost for God.

Guerilla Fists
11th April 04, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Wounded Ronin
I personally am against government-imposed curfews.

I think that it is incorrect to say that everyone who is in support of personal liberties, even for the young, is a live-at-home parasite. That is simply not true. Look at the ACLU. It would simply be incorrect to say that everyone who works for the ACLU is a live-at-home parasite, or that they lack a cause that is bigger than themselves.

How old are you?

Matt Stone
12th April 04, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Dochter
Children should have their "rights" restricted by the way, they're not in a position to be responsible for their actions and therefore shouldn't be afforded the same leinency.

Adults play adult games, run adult risks and pay adult prices and penalties.

Children play children's games, run children's risks and pay children's prices and penalties.

This is something totally lost on Master Coner. If he keys my car, I can't beat his ass nor sue him for damages - he is a minor, and therefore not responsible like an adult is. Therefore, not having the potential liability of an adult, he doesn't get the rights and priveliges of an adult either.

When he is able, or when the law has determined he should be able, to back up his actions with adult-sized penalties, then and only then will he have the privelige of behaving like an adult. The fact that he can't grasp this yet is proof that he isn't ready for the responsibility...

I'm still wondering why mommy and daddy haven't pulled him off the internet yet... Probably one more episode of his doing something without mommy and daddy's knowledge.

Dochter
12th April 04, 12:23 AM
"i agree that it does suck when your property has been vandalized. but why can't it be hunting season on vandalizers after ten p.m.? why do you have to arrest ALL teenagers out after the curfew? I know my question remains the same, but this is only because i haven't gotten a satisfactory answer yet."

I'm not a sociologist but here is my take on it:
People work on generalizations, that simply is how it is and how it has to be. For those with whom you are not actually in a position to form a relationship with, you have only the ability to categorize them by subjective criteria based on previous experience*. If vandalism is typically done by teenagers out after a certain time it would seem the only effective remediation to that is to restrict the activities of that particular group.

Comments about this not being fair will be ignored or strongly flamed. You do it to, we all do it.

However the main issue IMO remains safety. If you're 13-14 and can't avoid getting caught by police when "out for a walk" you probably aren't going to be able to keep yourself out of trouble. Additionally with the exception of the baffling baking hours of doughnut shops, in all likelihood if you are out at that time, youíre probably up to no good, oh yeah and you make your mom cry and worry.

*This would seem to obviously be the root of profiling as well, which in my opinion is probably an unavoidable consequence of policing in areas where there is a strong correlation between ethnicity and socioeconomic status. People have to make decisions based on past experience; the issue of course comes in when this is taken as a priori evidence of guilt. How this should be resolved I donít know but I bet the situation would be the same under opposite circumstances.

Wounded Ronin
12th April 04, 01:14 AM
Nowadays the political trend is towards the elimination of leniency towards minors who commit violent crimes. That's tough on crime for you.

Phrost
12th April 04, 09:20 AM
It should be open season on kids after 10 PM because very few of them actually have legitimate reasons for being out.

Walking around town is not a legitimate reason. Nothing you can go to is open at 3AM, save a Waffle House or two, and even there nobody wants to deal with a child who hasn't learned how to act in society (which is the conclusion applied to any 13 year old who feels it's their place to walk around at 3 AM.)

The main point is, until you're paying taxes, you've got no right to complain about how they're spent, even if it includes having the police snatch you off the street and take you home. This is a sore spot for me too, because I just paid half a rookie cop's salary this year in taxes, the same rookie cop that's likely patrolling my neighborhood for little brats up to no good.

It's not about civil liberties, because you're not a full-fledged citizen. Until 18, you're a ward of your parents. Your only purpose in life is to develop yourself into a productive member of society so my taxes don't get raised to pay for your inadequacies.

Osiris
12th April 04, 11:09 AM
Coner, just wait till college. Completely makes up fopr it. You get to do as you please, act a total fool, leech off your parents and provided you dont kill anyone (and sometimes if you do), get away with it.

Guerilla Fists
12th April 04, 12:17 PM
that, or become Prez of the US. And then you can get away with murder.

Dochter
12th April 04, 12:26 PM
Osiris = chef

"There is a time and place for X, college"

tkdan28
12th April 04, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by coner400
my safety and your fun? jesus christ. you're having fun off a law that restricts me. what a fucking parasite.

parasite... definition of a teenager.

Deadpan Scientist
12th April 04, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Phrost


The main point is, until you're paying taxes, you've got no right to complain about how they're spent, even if it includes having the police snatch you off the street and take you home.

Sales tax?

CanuckMA
12th April 04, 12:37 PM
Originnally posted by CanuckMA
If I want a 14 year old's opinion, I'll give it to him

Originally posted by coner400
that doesn't make sense.

If you don't get it, you're not smart enough to be out that late at night.

Osiris
12th April 04, 12:39 PM
Exactly.

tkdan28
12th April 04, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
Sales tax?

Only if they have a job and earned the money... and in that case they are paying a hella lot more than sales tax.

Guerilla Fists
12th April 04, 01:01 PM
Why do we even allow kids to be alive? The best thing to do would enforce a law that no people under the age of 17 are allowed outside. That way, when they become legal we have ensured that only the most badass and ninja like of our species have survived. It's kind of like how the Spartans trained their children in military academies...until their race was eradicated.

Seen and not heard. Got that junior?

riceavenger
12th April 04, 01:46 PM
The only time I go out at night is for jogging around the neighborhood.

During the summer there's always a bunch of annoying ass kids hanging around past midnight in a parking lot near my house. They play crappy music and make annoying noises. It is quite distressing.

Im 17 by the way.

coner400
12th April 04, 01:48 PM
sorry, but thats not gonna happen. if you ever find a woman crazy enough to have sex with you, i'll pity your offspring.

coner400
12th April 04, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by coner400
sorry, but thats not gonna happen. if you ever find a woman crazy enough to have sex with you, i'll pity your offspring.

that was a reply to guerilla fists' statement by the way

Osiris
12th April 04, 02:04 PM
Yeh, he'd be evil not to let his teenage kids run around at fucking 3am talking bout they want some donuts.

coner400
12th April 04, 02:14 PM
i was talking about him saying "Why do we even allow kids to be alive? The best thing to do would enforce a law that no people under the age of 17 are allowed outside." jeez.

Guerilla Fists
12th April 04, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by coner400
sorry, but thats not gonna happen. if you ever find a woman crazy enough to have sex with you, i'll pity your offspring.

This comeing from a 13 year old? Kid you can't accuse someone of being a virgin if you are yourself. You are that guy who tries to pick up chicks and impress them with political ideologies but fails miserably each time, then promotes masturbation as a pass time as you did earlier in the thread.

And if you can't recognize a little farce here and there how can you expect to comprehend all the reprecussions that come along with releasing grotty little brats into the night?

But maybe that's it, maybe you need a girlfriend so you can have a reason to sneak out of the house. When I was your age donuts were the last thing on my mind...well unless they're pink donuts. You'll get that when the other one drops.

Arato Pendejo,
Guerilla

Wounded Ronin
12th April 04, 05:42 PM
This thread makes me want to eat doughnuts.

Dochter
12th April 04, 06:17 PM
Being alive makes me want to eat doughnuts. I assume that I'd want to eat them when I'm dead as well, but can't say for sure.

by-the-throat
12th April 04, 06:20 PM
Eating late at night makes you fat anyway.

Also, you're a wanker. Do you really think that despite not having adult responsibilities, you should have adult privelleges? Because that's the main intelligent argument I'm seeing here, and you're avoiding it.

Furthermore, if you're going to be a freedom idealist, there are more important issues to take a stand about, like...well, anything really. This is inane. But I've said that before, haven't I?

PHILBERT
12th April 04, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Osiris
How do you lose track of 3am? Regardless, stumbling in late on occassion should be no problem. Are you really THAT slow? A curfew would only be a problem if you were out all the time.

Knights of the Old Republic at my friends, X-Box and the occasional date.

Guerilla Fists
12th April 04, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by PHILBERT
Knights of the Old Republic at my friends, X-Box and the occasional date.

I'm starting to believe there is no harm in these kids being out late. The worst they can do is nerd someone into boredom.

Tell the truth, your occaisonal dates are with Sally Palmer and her five friends.

Still we should be concerned for their safety and not allow them to get jacked by muggers out late.

See what happens when you let kids smoke weed? They get all kinds of crazy individual rebellious ideas.

RockTiger
14th April 04, 05:59 AM
Erm.... I really don't like it when I can't get into places that are 21+. It pisses me off because I can get along better with older people and it's not like I want to try and smoke or drink either I just wanna have fun. I haven't met too many people that old though which sucks because I've have to deal with a ton of asshats my age and below. I tell you it's not fun living in the suburbs if you aren't a tool (or a social reject as far people like me go), it's fucking boring as hell and there's nothing to do.

I think maturity, not age is important. I wish I had more mature people to talk to that had the time back then... because BEING A LITTLE TOO RESPONSIBLE AND MATURE IN THE KID WORLD is a FUCKING DEATH WISH FOR YOUR CHILDHOOD!!!!!!! Society promotes immaturity when parents don't take enough time for their kids. Kids acting like kids isn't cute. WE SHOULD TELL THEM HOW AND WHY THEY SHOULD GROW THE FUCK UP IN THEIR TEEN YEARS INSTEAD OF RESTRICTIONS AS THEY ONLY GO SO FAR. Parents think they can just leave their teens alone because it's oh so obvious that teenagers think like adults *sarcasm* and it'll just take care of itself... lazy teen, lazy parent I say.

Anyway there are a lot of teenagers that should be smacked around if their parents aren't around... there should be like a law that makes it legal for (bitch-slapped licensed) people to slap teenagers 17 and below silly if their parents aren't paying attention to them and legal to use neccesary force if they try and fight back. Then they will learn to be more respectful as it is for their own good ^_^

PHILBERT
14th April 04, 07:59 AM
Who is Sally Palmer?

Osiris
14th April 04, 08:16 AM
Think about it.

kismasher
14th April 04, 08:28 AM
look you underage pussies.

there are way to have fun and bend the rules. got any older siblings? i find it hard to believe you don't know one person in college. pony up the dough for a keg and party at their place, go hang and don't drink if you don't want to.

damn, if all you do is whine about curfews and shit no wonder you're stuck at home by yourself all the time.

Leodom
14th April 04, 06:47 PM
What are you, racist? The Republican party was started for the express purpose of restricting the spread of slavery and promoting abolition. That is why the south Seceded immediately after the election of our first Republican President--Lincoln.

As for curfew laws, I only see limited, short term use for them for security purposes. A blanket curfew law is too broad, regardless of age ranges it may affect.

Meteora
14th April 04, 06:55 PM
To finish the donut story, the cop let me and my friends off since he too was looking for donuts.

Osiris
14th April 04, 08:02 PM
"What are you, racist? The Republican party was started for the express purpose of restricting the spread of slavery and promoting abolition. That is why the south Seceded immediately after the election of our first Republican President--Lincoln."

Just assume that in all his wisdom he doesnt know the history pf both parties.

coner400
14th April 04, 08:49 PM
no not racist at all. lol i didn't think about that when i was writing the title. im being overwhelmed by posts here so ill just make this simple. im afraid i've lost this debate. i don't know what to say now.

coner400
14th April 04, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Guerilla Fists
This comeing from a 13 year old? Kid you can't accuse someone of being a virgin if you are yourself. You are that guy who tries to pick up chicks and impress them with political ideologies but fails miserably each time, then promotes masturbation as a pass time as you did earlier in the thread.

And if you can't recognize a little farce here and there how can you expect to comprehend all the reprecussions that come along with releasing grotty little brats into the night?

But maybe that's it, maybe you need a girlfriend so you can have a reason to sneak out of the house. When I was your age donuts were the last thing on my mind...well unless they're pink donuts. You'll get that when the other one drops.

Arato Pendejo,
Guerilla

wow dude, you're good. by just talking to me on the internet, you've assumed that i try to pick up chicks with politics, and then masturbate when i fail. well that hasn't happened yet but when it does, ill let you know.

DJeter1234
14th April 04, 09:16 PM
don't worry, coner, he'll be dead soon :-)

Guerilla Fists
14th April 04, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by DJeter1234
don't worry, coner, he'll be dead soon :-)

Meaning what exactly? You gonna bring it? Love to see you try.

DJeter1234
15th April 04, 01:39 AM
no, that your old, so statistically, you are likely to die sooner than he is. And with that kind of hostility, probably alone in the rain Hemmingway style.

Guerilla Fists
15th April 04, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by DJeter1234
no, that your old, so statistically, you are likely to die sooner than he is. And with that kind of hostility, probably alone in the rain Hemmingway style.

Yeah, if I was too much of a pussy to act on my threats I would use an intellectual cop out as well.
But then there is the other side of the argument proven by natural selection that only the strong survive. Look at the alpha male in each pack, they don't tip toe through life to arrive safely at deaths door. They'll get their shit ruinned be and replaced by a better specimen if they can't hold water.
Besides, I'm only five years older. I'll be 20 in September.

Dochter
15th April 04, 02:06 PM
That's actually what I assumed he meant.

Pussy.

Osiris
15th April 04, 02:15 PM
Why would Djeter threaten to kill you? Calm down man.

DJeter1234
15th April 04, 02:19 PM
that's funny, i'm older than you. and i'm sorry that you didn't get my joke. i've used it on many occasions, and you are definately the first one to not get it.

and btw, natural selection says only the strong reproduce. thsi does not necesarily depend on lifespan. and natural selection barely applies anymore.

Guerilla Fists
15th April 04, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Osiris
Why would Djeter threaten to kill you? Calm down man.
Not so much that he wanted to kill me but that he would kick my ass so bad it would be like killing me. For example, "Oh yeah that pussy bob, I would kill him in a fight, he's dead meat" etc etc.
That is why I said, "meaning what exactly? you gonna bring it? love to see you try." If someone is extending a challenge I'll accept it. I'll take them right then and there or wherever the time and place. Especially if they would say something so explicit as "he'll be dead soon enough" or whatever. So my offer still stands...
You gonna bring it?

DJeter1234
15th April 04, 02:20 PM
peace?

Guerilla Fists
15th April 04, 02:21 PM
Peace

DJeter1234
15th April 04, 02:22 PM
the context of the discussion was age, not MA. i thought that was how it was to be interpretted. i apoligize if this has caused considerable concern.

coner400
15th April 04, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by DJeter1234
don't worry, coner, he'll be dead soon :-)
haha. how old is he?

Guerilla Fists
15th April 04, 08:57 PM
old enough
Go back a few posts and see if you can deduce my age sherlock. Maybe then you can crack the case as to how you liberate the grotty little brats into the night.

coner400
15th April 04, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Guerilla Fists
Meaning what exactly? You gonna bring it? Love to see you try.
um....kung fu vs. muay thai and bjj training......dude, theres not much competetion there

DJeter1234
15th April 04, 09:06 PM
well, i just started muay thai a few months ago, and it is only like an hour a night after BJJ including conditioning, and i still absolutly SUCK with my hands, so yeah, there would be some compitition

coner400
15th April 04, 09:06 PM
we're getting too off topic here.

Guerilla Fists
15th April 04, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by coner400
um....kung fu vs. muay thai and bjj training......dude, theres not much competetion there

Ladies and gentelmen I present the ignorance of youth.
We all know it's never style versus style but fighter versus fighter. It's not like in the movies you dumbass "Your tiger style is strong but it will not stand against dragon style."
And if you had shit for brains and knew how to click profile you'd see I have nearly a decade of Judo under my belt coupled with Eskrima in addition to my kung fu.
Ask anyone at the last throwdown if I was restricted merely by my stand up. HELL FUCKING NO. I took it to the ground with just as many throws and trips as any BJJer.
I'll accept your challenge though, bring your bjj and muay tai and I'll bring my can...my can of whoopass. Better hope I don't have a canopener (bad pun).
What's that? I can't hear you. Maybe if you take your foot out of your mouth.

coner400
15th April 04, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by DJeter1234
well, i just started muay thai a few months ago, and it is only like an hour a night after BJJ including conditioning, and i still absolutly SUCK with my hands, so yeah, there would be some compitition
oh okay. then i apologize to guerilla fists and anyone else that may have been offended by that.

coner400
15th April 04, 09:09 PM
hahahahaha

coner400
15th April 04, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Guerilla Fists
Ladies and gentelmen I present the ignorance of youth.
We all know it's never style versus style but fighter versus fighter. It's not like in the movies you dumbass "Your tiger style is strong but it will not stand against dragon style."
And if you had shit for brains and knew how to click profile you'd see I have nearly a decade of Judo under my belt coupled with Eskrima in addition to my Judo.
Ask anyone at the last throwdown if I was restricted merely by my stand up. HELL FUCKING NO. I took it to the ground with just as many throws and trips as any BJJer.
I'll accept your challenge though, bring your bjj and muay tai and I'll bring my can...my can of whoopass. Better hope I don't have a canopener (bad pun).
What's that? I can't hear you. Maybe if you take your foot out of your mouth.
okay. djeter was not challenging you. neither was i. congratulations on the last challenge match, too.

Osiris
15th April 04, 09:24 PM
"kung fu vs. muay thai and bjj training......dude, theres not much competetion there"

Go tell Asia.

DJeter1234
15th April 04, 09:26 PM
yeah, one should never fight a ground war against Asia :-)

Guerilla Fists
16th April 04, 02:38 AM
Posters of this thread,
I know I come off as a hothead. But Conor IMed me and we got to talking. He realized I was just giving him "the treatment" that everyone gets. Kind of like hazing. He's a good kid. Also didn't want to start a new thread but he is disenchanted with BJJ and looking for something else. He mentioned TKD and asked what I would suggest.
I would say get a foundation in groundfighting and grappling if not BJJ then Judo then move on to a striking art. Anyone else got info for this young fighter?
Again, good kid. Didn't want anyone to think I was being an excessive asshole. But then again, fuck everyone ;) JK.
GF

coner400
16th April 04, 04:24 PM
ah yes. well my choices are limited. its either american karate, tkd, or aikido. so you guys decide. i know brazilian jui jitsu beats the shit out of all of these, but im just not a grappler.

Dochter
16th April 04, 05:41 PM
everybody gets tapped for a long time. When you start getting new people coming in with less experience you'll be very surprised.

coner400
16th April 04, 08:39 PM
so you're suggesting i stick with bjj?

DJeter1234
16th April 04, 09:02 PM
how long have you been doing it? and also, are you in a kids class or and adult class? rolling with people almost twice your body weight with a lot more muscle has to be discouraging. But just my thing, i id both karate and TKD when i was younger, neither completely BS but mostly so, and i wish very much that i had done BJJ. I don't think many kids should be doing full contact muay thai or anything, BJJ's sparring is one of the few arts/sparrings which you can safely practice at a kid. Hell, have yo considered wrestling? starting in middle school would give you a head start, and it was get you in incredible shape. Plus, being on a sports team is definatley a great way to meet people. Big time comittment, though. None of us know your specifics, though, so its really up to you.

coner400
16th April 04, 09:57 PM
well mr jeter, the teacher that i do lessons with has six other students, and they're all college kids. i wrestled this year in middle school and frankly, i hated it. too much dedication, too little motivation.

BloodLust
16th April 04, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Yiliquan1
I'd debate the validity with Baby Coner, but I have a standing policy not to engage children in conversations that are clearly beyond their ability to comprehend.

Adults (that's "grown ups" for you kiddies) know the reasons and rationale for curfews, as well as the potential repurcussions of both having and not having them.

Typically, adults ("grown ups") support them, unless they are only newly christened adults, in which case they are merely overgrown children anyway and their opinions mean precisely shit...

3 a.m. "walks." Right. *shrug* :rolleyes:

Ha, you know, that's actually funny. I had no idea that you supposedly "grown-up" and "smarter" people enjoyed lumping all children into stereotypes.
Yes, I am not what you would consider "adult". But, I am sure that my range of comprehension is at least equal to yours, especially in the area of logic. You fail to realize the paradoxical nature of stereotyping. It eventually fails.
Yes, stereotyping never lasts, because no one is the same, and eventually someone will come along and break the "system" that the stereotype created.
I really do not give a shit whether or not I can go out at 3am or not. My main issue with people like you is you paradoxical, yes paradoxical, method of lumping all "children" into a common type. If everyone was the same, we would not need:

1) Law Enforcement &
2) For that matter laws
3) Goverment or
4) Military

None of these things would be needed, because everyone would do the same things the same way. For example, if all people with red hair would shoplift between the hours of 2pm and 3pm on Thursdays, cops would not be needed, because storeowners would know this, and they would close up their stores and lock up all their stock during these hours. Other issues, such as this curfew, are similar in nature, even if their mechanics are of a slightly more complex arragement.

However, I'm just a "baby", what the hell do I know?:rolleyes:

Osiris
16th April 04, 10:51 PM
Controlling children is not only society's right, but its responsibility.

DJeter1234
16th April 04, 11:38 PM
oh no, not paradoxical!

coner, i can see how that would be incredibly frustrating, and yes, wrestling is a huge commitment. you may want to consider just stopping for a few years till you start to fill out. take up guitar or dancing or something.

Guerilla Fists
17th April 04, 12:47 AM
If that's all you have available I'll stick with BJJ my friend.

coner400
17th April 04, 11:05 PM
i know. looks like sparring with friends will be what i mostly do. maybe a bjj lesson once a week or something. the kid you know as hedgehogey is convincing me to stay with it.

Osiris
17th April 04, 11:08 PM
You should stick with wrestling.

Dochter
18th April 04, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by BloodLust
Ha, you know, that's actually funny. I had no idea that you supposedly "grown-up" and "smarter" people enjoyed lumping all children into stereotypes...

However, I'm just a "baby", what the hell do I know?:rolleyes:

When you look in the mirror does the reflection ever look back while wearing one of those "I'm with stupid" t-shirts?

DJeter1234
18th April 04, 12:41 PM
no, Doch, he's a genius, remember? Didnt you see when he proved that the big bang was BS in the "Does G-d exist" thread?

Dochter
18th April 04, 12:50 PM
You know I typically think the argument of "You're just a kid, I am x years older or more experienced in x and so know better" is pretty weak.
In this argument it was however appropriate as a response to a few comments (though I also didn't really agree with Yilliquan's delivery).

KC Elbows
18th April 04, 01:24 PM
When I was a kid, there were one version of curfews or another in effect throughout the area I lived in because John Wayne Gayce was killing kids. Mind you, he was killing people who were working for him, or who were in other ways already kept outside of the mainstream and thus, away from police attention.

In the suburbs, imo, curfews are useless. The only effects are 1) Good kids go home like they were planning to anyway, and 2) Other kids get driven to areas where cops aren't welcome.

Parenting is what protects these kids, not curfews.

Since it apparently needs mention in this thread, I am an adult, one who has a child. I'm also old enough to know that there's probably not a single police department in the country with the manpower to actually make curfew laws anything more than words on paper and an excuse to question people they were going to question anyway. There will be token effort to universally enforce such curfews when they begin, but soon enough, they will simply focus on actual criminal behavior.

For some reason, people seem to prefer sheltering teens from risk rather than teaching them to assess risk for themselves. I would think the latter would be much more likely to succeed, considering that most of these kids have probably been coached on avoiding strangers, etc. A teen is at the age where you cannot completely protect them from risk anymore. Teens require a sort of limited initiative, imo. Hedging a teen in forever creates a freak of nature. Everyone knew that freak of nature in high school. Don't make more of him.