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CaptShady
3rd April 04, 12:28 AM
See? Kerry sucks just as bad.


John Kerry 2004 = John Kerry 1971

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Posted: April 2, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


Since Democrats will only tell us how much they loathe President Bush and what he's doing wrong in the War on Terror, never offering their solutions for us to critique, let me tell you a few things I fear about a Kerry presidency.

Frankly, the prospect of John Kerry becoming commander in chief at this critical point in our history horrifies me, mainly because I believe the John Kerry of 1971 is the John Kerry of today.

Just imagine someone with the mindset of Jane Fonda circa 1971 leading our war on terror. Forget the allegedly doctored photographs showing Kerry and Fonda together. We don't need to know that these two may have met to discuss the evils of American "aggression" against the North Vietnamese.

We know from Kerry's own words that he possessed the same contempt for America's cause and our armed services around that time. And don't tell me that his distinguished military record immunizes him from accountability for his later despicable behavior.

It would be different if Kerry had ever grown out of his youthful nihilism. I would say "idealism," but there's nothing idealistic about accusing your fellow serviceman in Vietnam of unspeakable atrocities against innocent civilians.

Kerry's congressional testimony in 1971 seemed to suggest that he had first-hand knowledge of such horrible acts and may have even participated in them. Of course, we are supposed to laud him for his "courage" in coming forward and shining the light of truth and thereby exempt him from any role he may have played in it.

But how outrageous is that! If he was privy to such crimes and didn't report them, he should be held accountable. There is nothing noble about him reporting those alleged crimes and not naming names or assuming responsibility.

Such anonymous, generalized charges merely served the purposes of the enemy, just like Jane Fonda's cavorting with North Vietnamese troops. We now know these types of activities gave comfort to the enemy and were used to demoralize our troops and prisoners of war.

No, you say, John Kerry neither participated nor had first-hand knowledge of any barbarous acts he was merely reporting what he'd been told. Well, who told him? Ho Chi Minh? Either he had reliable information or he was spewing third-hand hearsay likely spawned by nefarious communist propagandists.

The type of testimony he so proudly gave at those hearings wouldn't be admissible in the most primitive tribunals with the most relaxed rules of evidence, unless Kerry owned up to his own specific participation or divulged his sources. He didn't do either because outlining his participation would have been incriminating, and he had no sources to divulge.

You see, I simply don't believe John Kerry's defamation, and I don't believe he believed it either. Sure, there were doubtlessly some atrocities committed by our side (we know of a few) we're not perfect. But I don't believe the rank and file American soldier in Vietnam was a veritable agent of Satan. By and large, these were great guys who served their country admirably and would never have considered participating in the kinds of acts Kerry described.

We are entitled to know whether Kerry still stands by his testimony. If so, did he participate or witness these events? If so, why didn't he name names? If not, why did he rush to believe the worst about his own colleagues still in the jungles of Vietnam?

Does he still believe that America was engaged in an immoral cause in trying to contain communism? Does he still believe there would be no bloodbath at the hands of the communists if we were to withdraw from Southeast Asia?

And if Kerry refuses to repent and it's obvious he does, since he wears his protesting days as a badge of honor what does that tell us about his present attitude about America's enemies?

I think he still harbors an attitude that America is an ugly bully on the world stage, that we have no business acting to protect our security without playing "Mother, may I?" with France, Germany and the United Nations, and that there is little connection between international terrorists and sponsoring states. Sure, just like there was no coordination between communists worldwide during Kerry's anti-war heyday in the '70s.

Yes, I'm thoroughly convinced that the John Kerry of today is the John Kerry of 1971, who has no more business steering this ship of state than Jane Fonda. In these sobering times with our security, national sovereignty and freedom at stake, I shudder at the possibility that John Kerry could become our wartime president.

DJeter1234
3rd April 04, 12:41 AM
"Does he still believe that America was engaged in an immoral cause in trying to contain communism?"

America was involved in quite a few immoral causes in trying to contain communism. And what is this evil thing that would have happened if Kerry had been President in the early 70's? The US pulling out of Vietnam? Giant government scandels involving the comitee to reelect? O, wait, that was Nixon. If you don't like smear tactics being used on bush, stop trying doing it yourself. Kerry has a lot of faults but druding up anti-hippie rhetoric from the 70's doesn't do much to convince anyone who isn't already on Bush's side.

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 12:44 AM
I'm NOT on Bush's side. Polluting this fora with anti Bush misinformation is bullshit. So what can one do? GIVE IT RIGHT BACK! And what I RESPOND with is a mere fraction of the flip side of this. Oh .. I guess I should also say, "if you don't like it, don't read it"

DJeter1234
3rd April 04, 12:51 AM
"what can one do? GIVE IT RIGHT BACK!"

great attitude! That's the way to make politics better. It in no way contributes to the reason why both candidates leave much to be desired

"if you don't like it, don't read it"

usually i don't. Every time i log onto this site i see thread after thread you started insulting Kerry. The sheer number of posts i have to skim was beginning to annoy me, so I decided to respond.

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 12:55 AM
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!! Like I said .. a mere fraction of threads when compared to that of the anti Bush bullshit.

DJeter1234
3rd April 04, 01:08 AM
probably in general, but not on this site. You want a way to make sure they balance? Just post one of your "arguements" in every one of their threads and cut the BS threads in half. its funny, today i was skimming throguh an artical, i think in newsweek, with some quote about how young South Africans are so tired of everyone telling them how they are the nation's future and hope that none of them care anymore. I'm on spring brake, so watching a lot rmoe TV than usual, and I'm so sick of anti-Bush and anti-Kerry adds that I might have to vote for nadar. which i woudl very mcuh rather not do

The Wastrel
3rd April 04, 01:18 AM
CaptShady,
Misinformation should be pretty easy to dispel. I mean, you KNOW it's misinformation, right? So you must be able to find a refutation? Or are you really just talking about opinion?

It's funny you talk about misinformation, yet post an article that is nothing but naked conjecture.

Hmm...from now on, I'm going to say that Bush is exactly the same as he was in 1971, a callow frat-boy drunk.

Wait...that's not true. Never mind.

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 01:24 AM
LOL!

In rebuttal, you know as well as I do that 1) those posting anti Bush rhetoric are impressionable BY such rhetoric, and 2) the main composition of the members of this site fit into the above category.

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by DJeter1234
probably in general, but not on this site.

Bullshido! Count balloonknot's posts in this fora! Hell, he posted 6 in a matter of 5 minutes! His anti bush threads alone outnumber ALL of mine in this fora. Let alone the OTHER anti Bush threads.

DJeter1234
3rd April 04, 01:25 AM
but he recognizes it is misinformation. i just don't understand why one would see through the one-sided mudslinging and somehow take it on him/herself to make sure that it continues, but equally.

DJeter1234
3rd April 04, 01:29 AM
When i logged on, there was 1 anti-bush flame thread, which you had posted on, and 3-4 flame threads posted by you. If you want to raise a legitimate point about Kerry, which, as i said, there are many of, plz do. You can fuck with the suburban hippies as much as you want to. just don't post stupid completely unfounded shit like this. There is not one concrete fact in this entire artical.

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by DJeter1234
but he recognizes it is misinformation. i just don't understand why one would see through the one-sided mudslinging and somehow take it on him/herself to make sure that it continues, but equally.

No .. I do believe SOME of what's presented .. on both sides .. but to say "Bush is a liar" is like saying "My US paper money is green" .. ALL US paper money is green, and all politicians are liars. And it is SOO not a matter of "Well yeah, but Bush lies MORE".... because that's bullshit too.



Originally posted by DJeter1234
When i logged on, there was 1 anti-bush flame thread, which you had posted on, and 3-4 flame threads posted by you. If you want to raise a legitimate point about Kerry, which, as i said, there are many of, plz do. You can fuck with the suburban hippies as much as you want to. just don't post stupid completely unfounded shit like this. There is not one concrete fact in this entire artical.

Instead of checking out active threads, go here (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14) and make a count. You'll note far more ilegitimate threads started about Bush. What I'm doing here isn't even close to balancing the scale.

What i posted is commentary .. and far far less commentary than what's poster here about Bush. To negate it ALL as unfounded isn't right.

The Wastrel
3rd April 04, 01:41 AM
It doesn't matter how many articles there are from either side. That one is pure bollocks. I could make better arguments in defense of Bush and against Kerry than these, and mean them.

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by The Wastrel
It doesn't matter how many articles there are from either side. That one is pure bollocks. I could make better arguments in defense of Bush and against Kerry than these, and mean them.

Ah, but it DOES matter when the accusation flies that I'm initiating this shit.

And yes, yes you could ... yet the misinformation from the left rarely gets addressed by you :(

The Wastrel
3rd April 04, 01:46 AM
Capt Shady...you are walking a very thin line. If you think lefty misinformation doesn't get challenged by me, you need to think again. And if you think you're going to wage a war against the "board"...you really need to think again.

You are violating policy dipshit. Not by posting partisan articles, but by spamming the board with articles without offering any serious comment on them.

Comply.
Is this getting though to you?

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by The Wastrel
Capt Shady...you are walking a very thin line. If you think lefty misinformation doesn't get challenged by me, you need to think again.

You really think I give a shit? I stopped giving a damn about that when the propaganda flew out POST your rules postings and nothing was done about it. I never said it didn't get challenged by you, just said rarely.


Originally posted by The Wastrel
And if you think you're going to wage a war against the "board"...you really need to think again.


Dude, you're not reading my other contributory posts are you? I suspect bias here, but hey, whatever. NOT ONCE EVER did I say I was waging a damned thing against "the board".


Originally posted by The Wastrel
Comply.
Is this getting though to you?

Crystal clear. Hey, out of curiosity ..where's the same post to Balloon Knot? I can't seem to find it.

DJeter1234
3rd April 04, 01:52 AM
when did i say you started it? Any anti-Bush thread with no point is just as annoying

The Wastrel
3rd April 04, 01:53 AM
You're a fucking moron. The thread I created is NOT addressed to you specifically, is it? And my first post on these threads mentioned Balloonknot specifically.

Now shut the fuck up, and comply.

DJeter1234
3rd April 04, 01:56 AM
bad day or something?

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by The Wastrel
You're a fucking moron.

And your momma blows G.I's for a livin


Originally posted by The Wastrel
The thread I created is NOT addressed to you specifically, is it? And my first post on these threads mentioned Balloonknot specifically.

Yet he didn't comply. He went on and on and on and on and on without mention one by you, telling him to shut the fuck up and comply, is there? IF there is, I'd sure like to see a link. The thread you created started after AT LEAST 10 brand spanking new threads over 2 weeks period of time went on, with no new thread laying down the law. I post what, 4? in one day, and :eek: suddenly there's a new thread? Coincidence? I think not! Bias? I think so.

The Wastrel
3rd April 04, 01:58 AM
I really want to fucking go to bed. I'm trying to deal with policy-violation, and Capt Shady just won't fucking stop with his stupid accusations of "bias". Just comply. That's it. Comply and quit arguing. Now you're just encouraging Balloonknot to give me an equal amount of shit when he logs on later.

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by DJeter1234
when did i say you started it? Any anti-Bush thread with no point is just as annoying

Got a link to where you ripped into BalloonKnot for his posts?


Originally posted by DJeter1234
usually i don't. Every time i log onto this site i see thread after thread you started insulting Kerry. The sheer number of posts i have to skim was beginning to annoy me, so I decided to respond.


Originally posted by DJeter1234
but he recognizes it is misinformation. i just don't understand why one would see through the one-sided mudslinging and somehow take it on him/herself to make sure that it continues, but equally.


Originally posted by DJeter1234
When i logged on, there was 1 anti-bush flame thread, which you had posted on, and 3-4 flame threads posted by you. If you want to raise a legitimate point about Kerry, which, as i said, there are many of, plz do. You can fuck with the suburban hippies as much as you want to. just don't post stupid completely unfounded shit like this. There is not one concrete fact in this entire artical.

The Wastrel
3rd April 04, 02:00 AM
REPORT A POST IF YOU FIND EVIDENCE OF VIOLATION. Don't dress me down for not noticing it. It's not my job to read every post on every thread.

I'm telling you to shut the fuck up and comply because you keep going with this bullshit.

Shuma-Gorath
3rd April 04, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by The Wastrel
You are violating policy dipshit. Not by posting partisan articles, but by spamming the board with articles without offering any serious comment on them.

Comply.
Is this getting though to you?

Please PM this to BalloonKnot. He's like Strangler's posting combined with KFDW's logic/arguing skills and Michael Moore's bias.

...and I'm a liberal for fuck's sake!

The Wastrel
3rd April 04, 02:02 AM
Right, like I haven't alreay done that.

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by Shumagorath
And I'm a liberal for fuck's sake!

LOL ... While I am a republican, it'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for Bush.

Shuma-Gorath
3rd April 04, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by The Wastrel
Right, like I haven't alreay done that.

Can you make it pop up a message or something when he logs on? And that window pops up two more, and so on? :D

DJeter1234
3rd April 04, 02:10 AM
i have not ripped on balloonknot. I have not, however, in any way supported ballonknot. I'd say that his threads are not compeltely BS, but I don't read enoguh of his threads to say for sure. I am not a moderator, and i don't have any responsibility to critisize everyone equally. And if you KNOW that the artical is stupid flaming, and are just using it to respond to stupdi flaming, WHY?? Hell, you want to see me arguing with hopelessly idealstic liberals?

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11042&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

CaptShady
3rd April 04, 02:21 AM
His threads are not completely BS .. nor are mine. I could care less about your ripping on liberals, I DO care about one sidedness.

Shuma-Gorath
3rd April 04, 02:24 AM
Dude, if you let BK exist in a vacuum he will look that much worse and get his ass banned. It's tougher to side against someone when there are two people flaming back and forth.

Don't waste your time in OT; it's obvious most people on this website come here because they can form critical opinions on their own.

DJeter1234
3rd April 04, 02:27 AM
damnit, have we switched positions? I care about one-sidedness. This artical is blatantly one-sided and opinionated at that. It fails to encorperate one concrete fact thorughout. YOU care that i haven't ripped on balloon, a liberal. get is straight.

kismasher
3rd April 04, 09:03 AM
Capt and Balloonknot both agreed to cool it with the articles, Balloonknot broke the ceasefire first and he never offers commentary.