31st March 04, 05:14 PM
A leaked Pentagon report stated that global warming could bring famine and war within the next 20 years as food supplies dwindle and water dries up. You can read it in Fortune and ABC. Scary shiit. Keep driving those SUV's!



Deadpan Scientist
31st March 04, 05:16 PM
why would global warming bring war?

Kein Haar
31st March 04, 05:18 PM
Global warming extends growing seasons. Duh.

31st March 04, 05:18 PM
The Pentagon report, commissioned by Andrew Marshall, predicts that "abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies," the newspaper reported.

The report, quoted in the paper, concluded, "disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life.... once again, warfare would define human life".

Its authors - Peter Schwartz, a US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) consultant and a former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Dough Randall of Global Business Network based in California, said climate change should be considered "immediately" as a top political and military issue.

SUV's! SUV's! SUV's!

31st March 04, 05:20 PM
The threat that has riveted their attention is this: Global warming, rather than causing gradual, centuries-spanning change, may be pushing the climate to a tipping point. Growing evidence suggests the ocean-atmosphere system that controls the world's climate can lurch from one state to another in less than a decade—like a canoe that's gradually tilted until suddenly it flips over. Scientists don't know how close the system is to a critical threshold. But abrupt climate change may well occur in the not-too-distant future. If it does, the need to rapidly adapt may overwhelm many societies—thereby upsetting the geopolitical balance of power.

Kein Haar
31st March 04, 05:20 PM
I don't see nuclear weapons being the weapon of choice for defense and and maintenance.

Don't bother *thinking* about this or anything...

31st March 04, 05:24 PM
Of course you would be a better source of information than the Pentagon. You're in the loop alot tighter than those geeks in the CIA who are concerned about it. They would only suggest the U.S. consider this "a top political and military issue" because they think its nonsense.

Kein Haar
31st March 04, 05:26 PM
Why should I immediatly accept a claim simply because it's been claimed?

SUVs may, in fact, save us from impending global COOLING. What? Why are you laughing? It was fact 30 years ago. I'm still considering it.

Deadpan Scientist
31st March 04, 05:27 PM
I hope someone builds a thunderdome.

Kein Haar
31st March 04, 05:28 PM
That person will be Tina Turner. She's got plenty left in her.

31st March 04, 05:35 PM
fukk off, i'm not giving up my truck

31st March 04, 05:38 PM

Kein Haar
31st March 04, 05:40 PM
You're raping mother nature, though. It's not the developing Eurasian industrial behemoths belching CO2. It's the civilian and his car burning refined gasoline.

Volcanos are ok too. They're "natural".

31st March 04, 05:51 PM

If global warming does begin to seriously effect us (various evidence suggests it already is- ex: record temperatures every fucking summer) then it's actually quite easy to see how the drastically changing environment would lead to greater lobal insecurity.

Those of you either blaming Bush for this or defending him in this thread need to get the fuck over it; this is not a threat to our species because of him, he's small fries.

Also, SUV's suck. That is all ^_^

31st March 04, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
why would global warming bring war?

Maybe people will fight over fertile land and water supplies???? :(

31st March 04, 05:59 PM
hah, Brazil has a lot of water, you can keep your nike shoes and fast food

edit: no, but serious, how can water dry up? I mean, once it evaporates, it rains again doesnt it? theorically, we drink the same water dinossaurs did, its just "recycled", or am I missing something here?

31st March 04, 06:07 PM
hey dumbass, ever heard of deforestation? how about clear-cutting?

welcome to the machine, Brazil is but a pawn

31st March 04, 06:09 PM
hey, it was just a joke chill out

31st March 04, 06:15 PM
don't be so sensitive ;)

31st March 04, 06:20 PM
The main probelm with water is trying to purifying it. With the vast volumes of water we are accustom to using its going to be pretty expensive.

There are multitude of problems with Global Warming. Perhaps to lengthly to discuss.

31st March 04, 07:10 PM
Human caused global environmental change is a fact.

Its end results are unclear but they are unlikely to be good.

Sure why avoid the suv's and trucks, everyone else is doing it right?

31st March 04, 07:17 PM
All you have to do is watch Futurama and the answers will become obvious.

31st March 04, 08:07 PM
Futurama... ForM go to the Marijuana training thread. About a third of the way through I put some pictures you'd probably like.

31st March 04, 08:35 PM
Them some freaky ass pictures.

31st March 04, 08:57 PM
I'd like to re-examine the issue Brand brought up, and that is the conditions of our daily existence in post apocalyptic north america (for most of us). I now put forward the proposal that all like minded folk band together for the common good, like a country but ...effective. We can co-opt a bunch of farmland and build some trash forts, we can grow corn and wheat and devildogs, then we'll divvy it all up equally...if anyone tries to slack off and not pull their weight we kick their ass like really really hard. We 'll also have a bunch of sweet machine guns , mortars, tanks and other surplus toys in order to fend off the roving bands of brigands, thieves, orcs, and space pirates. We can call this place Bullshitopia and there we can have a REAL community where people exchange ideas, pornography, call each other names, and drool over the three women that live there cause we're all a bunch of BJJ lovin Romos.

it'll be like heaven...until I drop the rock on Piggie's head
...then shit goes haywire.
What?! The Fat fuck wouldn't lay off the conch!

31st March 04, 09:49 PM
Fallout, god that's a great series ^_^

31st March 04, 10:22 PM
global warming is a natural cycle tho, it's just that we are speading it up, in a few hundred years or we will start to come outof of the greenhouse gas age and go back into an ice age. it's only natural that the earth is getting hotter seeing as we are coming outof an iceage right now. there have been times on the earth when their has been no polar caps and then there's been times when the earth has had it's ice caps come to the equator. although it is probably true that we are speeding up the process.

i learnt in class that 97% of the earth;s water is in the oceans with 3% in river's and dams and outof that 0.03% is actually drinkable not sure if it's true tho...

31st March 04, 10:31 PM
no, but serious, how can water dry up? I mean, once it evaporates, it rains again doesnt it? theorically, we drink the same water dinossaurs did, its just "recycled", or am I missing something here?

all the water would turn into water vapour which is a major greenhouse gas and thats means that increasing evaporation will lead to more water vapour which will again increase the amount of evaporation until precipitation cant take place or if it does in very small percentages. which will lead to a greenhouse age. (imagine one giant greenhouse)

but the greenhouse age and iceages are natural cycles within the earth. i think it has something to do with the water currents mixing. like if australia and asia were connected the water current that flows thru that region and into the indian sea would stop mixing and this causes something tho i cant remember haha

also wouldnt it cause wars because of the lack of resources? every country will be wanting to secure water and fertile land for their population and if they cant get that this will cause unrest within the population and then could lead to anarchy when the population loses faith in the government be able to rule and provide

31st March 04, 10:55 PM
suv's are good for the oil industria, it would be unamerican to give them up.

31st March 04, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by ewdfs
edit: no, but serious, how can water dry up? I mean, once it evaporates, it rains again doesnt it? theorically, we drink the same water dinossaurs did, its just "recycled", or am I missing something here? Seems like there used to be a lot of water on Mars judging from recent report.... where did it go? If it can nearly disappear from one planet from unknown cause should we be concerned abour our own planet's water?

31st March 04, 11:37 PM
the water on mars is at the polar regions of mars isn't it?

1st April 04, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by shironinja
Seems like there used to be a lot of water on Mars judging from recent report.... where did it go? If it can nearly disappear from one planet from unknown cause should we be concerned abour our own planet's water?

yeah I never thought about that, I am curious now, maybe its in the greenhouse age like Emiare_Pac said, or maybe not, well, that sucks anyway

1st April 04, 07:10 AM
nah i dont think mars has greenhouse ages, because our climate is determined by the ocean current. i meant that maybe the water is frozen at the poles because they have frozen carbon dioxide at the poles i'm pretty sure, tell me if i'm wrong

2nd April 04, 02:23 AM
Too funny. I recommend this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521010683/qid=1080890193/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_10/103-1222595-7969442?v=glance&s=books) book, or watching Penn and Teller's Bullshit on the subject.

""We must put humanity back into the environmental debate," says Innis. "We all want to protect our planet. But we must stop trying to protect it from bogus or illusory threats" - Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore

There's TONS of evidence out there that extremist environmental organizations spread disinformation to legitimate news groups all the time. Stories that are COMPLETE bullshit make it into mainstream news all the time. Google can be a fascinating tool, to be used to check out BOTH sides of an issue. Using a specific platform with the word "skeptic" works well.

2nd April 04, 04:16 AM
two words: "Millenium Bug"

2nd April 04, 07:37 PM
Any claims need to be studied or verify scientifically as much as possible. To simply put it.