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CaptShady
15th March 04, 02:30 PM
Where Do You Stand, Senator Kerry?
by Marc Rotterman

The Bush-Cheney campaign recently released a series of television commercial designed to "define" Senator Kerry and his policy prescriptions for America.

The Presidents team has wisely begun to set the record straight after months of being pummeled by Kerry, Edwards, Lieberman, and Gephardt during the Democratic primary.

Even before the ads became public, Kerry berated them for their negativity. Kerry's campaign began to explain or defend what they would do on taxes. "The only increase in taxes would happen for those people making more than $200,000" Kerry staffers said.

As my old friend the late Lee Atwater used to say, "If you're defending, you're losing."

What the Bush team is attempting to do by starting early is to control the debate in the general election characterizing Senator Kerry as soft on terrorism and national security and as one who would raise taxes on American families, entrepreneurs, and businesses.
The Bush campaign has plenty of ammunition to work with.

Senator Kerry's rhetoric on the campaign and his voting record are filled with inconsistencies.

On the key issue of going to war with Iraq, the Senator from Massachusetts has flip- flopped numerous times. First and foremost, Kerry voted for authorization to use force in Iraq. (H.J. Res. 114, CQ Vote #237)

In the first democratic debate, Kerry strongly supported the President's actions in Iraq. Kerry: "George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." (ABC News, Democrat Candidate Debate, Columbus, SC, 5/4/03)

Kerry later claimed he voted "to threaten" the use of force in Iraq. "I voted to threaten the use of force to make Saddam Hussein comply with the resolutions of the United Nations." (Sen. John Kerry, remarks at announcement of Presidential Candidacy, Mount Pleasant, SC, 9/2/03)

Now, Kerry says he is the anti-war candidate. Chris Matthews asked Kerry, "Do you think you belong to that category of candidates who more or less are unhappy with this war, the way it's been fought, along with General Clark, along with Howard Dean and not necessarily in companionship politically on the issue of the war with people like Lieberman, Edwards and Gephardt? Are you one of the anti-war candidates?"

Kerry replied, "I am -- Yes, in the sense that I don't believe the president took us to war as he should have, yes, absolutely." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 1/6/04)

On the most important decision that a President can make - sending our troops into harms way - Senator Kerry has had three different positions.

Aides and people who have worked closed with Kerry in the Senate say he tends to split differences. I would submit to you that during the time when this country is at war in Iraq and fighting terrorism abroad a "yes-but" foreign policy is fair game in a Presidential election.

Kerry has had so many flip-flops on policy that it's hard for one to keep track. For the record, here are a few.

In 2002, Kerry signed a letter "urging" the Massachusetts legislature to reject a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Now Kerry says he supports amending the Massachusetts state constitution to ban gay marriage. (Boston Globe 2/26/04)

In 1996, Kerry attacked Governor Bill Weld for supporting the death penalty for terrorists. Kerry: "Your policy would amount to a terrorist protection policy. Mine would put them in jail."(1996 Massachusetts Senate Debate 9/16/96)

In 1996 Kerry said, "You can change your mind on things, but not on life-and-death issues." ((Worcester, MA) Telegram Gazette 7/3/96)

But, in 2002, Kerry said he supported the death penalty for terrorists. Kerry: "The law of the land is the law of the land, but I have also said that I am for the death penalty for terrorists because terrorists have declared war on your country." (NBC's "Meet the Press" 12/1/02)

On one of the key domestic issues in the campaign, free trade, Kerry voted for NAFTA in 1993.

Kerry said, "NAFTA recognizes the reality of today's economy- globalization and technology," Kerry said. "Our future is not in competing at the low-level wage job: it's in creating high-wage, new technology jobs based on our skills and our productivity."

Now, Kerry expresses doubts about NAFTA, saying, "if it were before me today I would vote against it because it doesn't have environmental or labor standards in it."

Long story short, Senator Kerry is on multiple sides of almost every issue and challenge that confronts America. To paraphrase Senator Jesse Helms from a campaign almost 20 years ago, "Where do you, stand Senator Kerry?"

kismasher
15th March 04, 02:36 PM
yes, retrospective snippets taken out of context to promote a republican campaign, must be the true story **sarcasm for the mentally impaired

CaptShady
15th March 04, 02:39 PM
ROFL!! Yeah ... and the Democrats NEVER do thaaaat *same sarcasm

Deadpan Scientist
15th March 04, 02:56 PM
please write some commentary if you're going to post this kind of junk (politics stuff)

CaptShady
15th March 04, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
please write some commentary if you're going to post this kind of junk (politics stuff)

Hmmm .. funny, I haven't seen this request is the Bush bashing threads

kismasher
15th March 04, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by CaptShady
Hmmm .. funny, I haven't seen this request is the Bush bashing threads


neither have i,

must be a liberal conspiracy

CaptShady
15th March 04, 03:05 PM
Yeah, I remember the last time I heard "conspiracy" used by a Politician. Hillary said it, when she also said he husband never fucked another girl while married to her ugly ass. Many bought her shit load of lies too, just like they're doing with Kerry, with one exception. There's a TON of proof of Kerry's lies, just ppl choose to ignore them.

Dibble
15th March 04, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by CaptShady
Yeah, I remember the last time I heard "conspiracy" used by a Politician. Hillary said it, when she also said he husband never fucked another girl while married to her ugly ass. Many bought her shit load of lies too, just like they're doing with Kerry, with one exception. There's a TON of proof of Kerry's lies, just ppl choose to ignore them.

*yawn*

Stick
15th March 04, 03:48 PM
Yes Dibble, I'm sleepy too.

:: sets up the tent and starts the campfire ::

Dibble
15th March 04, 03:55 PM
S'mores!!

CaptShady
15th March 04, 03:58 PM
Yawn like a cunt all ya want, facts are STILL facts.

Deadpan Scientist
15th March 04, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by CaptShady
Hmmm .. funny, I haven't seen this request is the Bush bashing threads

I've asked people to do that on many other threads about bush(or anything)

This is not google news. It's a discussion forum. Write your opinion.

CaptShady
15th March 04, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by brandeissansoo
That's not true.

In the spirit of all those before (kismasher in particular).. "Please provide a link where I've acknowledged seeing said passage in any of the Bush bashing threads.

kismasher
15th March 04, 04:13 PM
"You pussy son of bitches! Go do your own fact finding? Where the fuck are your posts demanding proof from your bleeding heart libleral, socialist, dependency on the government creating bitches?!?!?!

Incidentally, go fuck yourselves. YOu fuckers don't like facts pointed out against your boy do ya!??!"

Deadpan Scientist
15th March 04, 04:29 PM
Ignorance is not an excuse.

Raven
15th March 04, 04:34 PM
Did I miss something here?

Dibble
15th March 04, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by CaptShady
Yawn like a cunt all ya want, facts are STILL facts.

Wow. Well that was a well-reasoned, mature argument. :rolleyes:

Dibble
15th March 04, 05:07 PM
CaptShady, how old are you again?

CaptShady
15th March 04, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Dibble
Wow. Well that was a well-reasoned, mature argument. :rolleyes:


Oh you mean just like your initial well thought out "Yawn" reply? :rolleyes: Whatever the attitude, so is the response.

As to my age .. meet up and find out.

Raven
15th March 04, 05:10 PM
Ohhh......I sense I true tough guy here....

Dibble
15th March 04, 05:14 PM
OK. Where are you, then?

CaptShady
15th March 04, 05:17 PM
*sigh*

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=YrM58up_0TplRVztUFlMyGws2mo-&csz=San+Antonio,+TX&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=

Between 7 & 5 ... a get together at my home on Mar. 26th, I can give you a map to CLOSE to there (out in the boonies) if you can make it.

Dibble
15th March 04, 05:28 PM
Sorry, no plans to be in Texas. Like I'm acutally going to blow any vacation time just to verify your suave, knuckle-dragging self. I will however, file it away for future reference should I ever be in the neighborhood.

By the way, is this picture of you? www.co.bexar.tx.us/ oem/photos.htm

Also, the address you gave belongs to the Emergency Management Coordinator
Bexar County Emergency Management. Is that where you propose to rumble with folks?

CaptShady
15th March 04, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Dibble
Sorry, no plans to be in Texas. Like I'm acutally going to blow any vacation time just to verify your suave, knuckle-dragging self. I will however, file it away for future reference should I ever be in the neighborhood.

By the way, is this picture of you? www.co.bexar.tx.us/ oem/photos.htm

Also, the address you gave belongs to the Emergency Management Coordinator
Bexar County Emergency Management. Is that where you propose to rumble with folks?

- Nope, not in any of those photos.

- There's more than the EMC office in this building

- There's all kinds of public facilities within walking distance of the bldg. I don't want to fight on the premises.

Dibble
15th March 04, 06:03 PM
Hey, anyone who goes to his shindig, please post. I'd like to know if this guy is for real, or just a Jamoke wannabe...without the charm.